Mephistopheles

lol Purdue won lol I sure hope Purdue can beat the same Central Michigan team that lost 44-14 to 1-AA North Dakota State. And 70-14 to Clemson. And 52-7 to Kansas.

lol little ten lol

my god some people are dumb

I can so see Jim Hendry offering him 7/150 if he repeats his 02-04 performance.

And now you know how it felt with the Utah-Navy game the other night in which several people put 20+ points on Utah and they squeaked by and won by a field goal. Yeah but that was the correct move. Utah was leaps and bounds better than Navy. Brigham Young and UCLA are pretty much a tossup.

damn it UCLA. I had this pick nailed! DAMMIT oh well only five points. i knew it'd be a toss up game irks me that some of you guys got lordly lucky and put 20+ on the game

One year park factors are open to too much total randomness. DO NOT USE THEM. Yes I meant groundball pitcher. Didn't I already say that both were helped? Did you skip those sentences? Sure it does. Guess what's the best predictor of success? Oh yeah the three things I'm concerned with. You're not even close And guess what? McAfee's say on his K, GB and BB rates is NOTHING and McAfee's effect on his ERA is pointless because of A) I dont look at it and of course B) he wouldnt pitch in McAfee as a Cub. So even considering the effects of McAfee when you have K, BB and GB rates is kinda dumb. its as neutral as parks get. For his career he's a slight groundball pitcher. GB rates are among the most consistent rates from year to year -- which is why we use them thats the correct definition Umm..no. Do you know how they figure out park factors? By looking at home and road splits. So really, umm, obviously if the 07 A's seemed to perform better at home, then the PF will show much of the same. and how well a pitcher previously did his job preventing runs is a TERRIBLE way to predict his job of preventing runs. ERA sucks at predicting ERA.

It's Wisconsin is a pretty good way

1 year park factors suck. I hope you're not using ESPNs. They're [expletive] and 1 year. Double whammy. I, of course, expect you to be using ESPNs. Generally McAfee runs in the 980 range. Last year it was like 945, which was way out of line. Like I said, 1 year park factors suck. Don't use them please. No one's saying it's not a pitcher's park. Im looking at Blanton outside of the park. You just cant seem to objectively analyze him that way correctly. blah blah era blah blah home era blah blah blah blah come on.

1. HR/F in Wrigley is generally around 11.0%, HR/F in McAgee is generally around 10.5%. Stop making up information. 2. Who cares about ERA? Didn't I tell you to stop looking at ERA? 3. Did you even read what I said? Or did you randomly skip words? I didn't say that it was not a slight pitchers park. I said that relatively speaking, flyball pitchers should (and do) benefit from it more. 4. Ironically enough, Tim Hudson's second lowest HR/F ratio was last year. Secondly extreme flyball pitchers (the uber variety that Hudson is in) do have a statistically significant ability to *slightly* undershoot the given average HR/F ratio. Everyone else randomly fluctuates around the park average regardless of if they're flyball pitchers or not. What about Kirk Saarloos, Cory Lidle and Mark Redman? Why in the world are you surprised that pitchers in a pitchers park generally have lower ERAs at home than they do on the road? Do you think you found something earth shattering here? Of course a pitchers park is going to help all pitchers - groundball and flyball dependent. Depending on the park, the distribution will be uneven. Generally McAfee has helped flyball pitchers more than groundball pitchers but that's not that point. The point is the entire time i've been saying he's the same pitcher on the road as he is at home. your entire case is built upon a statistic i already said to shut up about, ERA. I don't look at it. I don't care about it. It's useless and pointless. What I see is a guy whose GB, K and BB rates have been constant home or away, so I see a guy with those rates. It's park independent and it allows me to look at him outside of whatever the hell McAfee wants to do. Obviously, Wrigley Field is a neutral park generally. Your flyball dependent pitchers generally are hurt by the park. Groundball pitchers are actually helped. The distribution is uneven. Kerry Wood may already have a Cy Young to his name if he didn't play for the Cubs. Here we have Blanton: A groundball pitcher. He's a pretty good fit for the Cubs in that respect. So I see a number 3 guy who can put a 4.30-4.50 ERA in a league average park/league who for the Cubs with the park slight benefit and the league benefit, would probably be in the 4.00-4.25 range. Yet you see a guy who did well at home and you can't seem to figure out why so you dig through the splits and guess what youve found: wrong answers.

chris young is the anti-khalil greene using them to make a claim against blanton is intellectually dishonest. for instance, the first fallacy: 1. You were saying that while Blanton is a borderline above average groundball pitcher, the cozy foul dimensions of McAfee should benefit him more than most pitchers. This is actually the opposite. The park should be advantageous to pitchers who are rely on flyballs more than groundballs (ex Zito). Yet, you're using it do discredit Blanton. The same kind of logic that you applied is used in this sentence: The mid-90s Rockies should have signed hitters who did not hit for power, but used speed to steal bases. It's completely wrong. don't even get me started one the other erroneous logical fallacies you brought up..

mcafee isnt petco

is it really that hard to code something that formats when the table columns are tab delimited?

unfortunately it doesnt have the statistics you need. the other one did

They'd be there. I just like quoting from B-R because it fits into a code block here without modification. I'm lazy that way. ;) Date Team Opp GS W L CG ShO SV BS IP TBF H HR R ER SO BB IBB FB GB LD Stk Bal Pit RS pLI WPA 4/3 Athletics @Mariners 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.0 23 5 1 4 4 7 0 0 4 9 3 54 27 81 4 0.70 -.126 4/8 Athletics @Angels 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 5.1 24 5 0 1 1 2 2 0 5 11 4 58 40 98 2 1.28 .166 4/14 Athletics Yankees 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.2 27 5 1 3 3 5 3 0 9 6 4 66 44 110 3 1.22 -.002 4/20 Athletics @Rangers 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 6.0 25 7 0 3 3 7 1 0 3 9 5 64 30 94 10 0.33 .079 4/25 Athletics Mariners 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 9.0 32 6 2 2 2 6 2 1 10 10 3 71 34 105 0 0.85 .216 5/1 Athletics @Red Sox 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 29 6 0 4 4 4 2 0 10 7 5 70 36 106 2 0.61 -.127 5/6 Athletics @Devil Rays 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.1 33 11 1 3 2 6 2 0 9 10 6 76 37 113 5 1.32 .056 5/11 Athletics Indians 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 26 5 1 2 2 5 0 0 8 9 4 68 31 99 6 0.98 .264 5/16 Athletics Royals 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 8.0 31 5 0 2 2 7 2 1 5 13 4 77 41 118 3 0.98 .226 5/21 Athletics @White Sox 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 5.1 27 8 0 6 4 4 2 0 9 8 3 64 36 100 3 1.17 -.358 5/27 Athletics @Orioles 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 6.0 30 10 3 8 8 2 1 0 12 12 3 68 42 110 4 0.89 -.415 6/2 Athletics Twins 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 9.0 30 3 0 0 0 6 0 0 6 15 3 76 32 108 1 1.19 .770 6/7 Athletics Red Sox 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 7.1 29 4 1 1 1 2 3 0 8 10 6 70 46 116 0 0.86 .283 6/13 Athletics @Astros 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 29 8 0 3 3 3 1 0 9 13 3 64 34 98 7 1.13 -.055 6/18 Athletics Reds 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 8.0 29 7 0 1 1 5 0 0 6 14 4 76 30 106 6 0.71 .244 6/23 Athletics @Mets 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 8.0 28 5 0 0 0 6 1 0 6 11 3 69 40 109 0 1.25 .563 6/28 Athletics @Indians 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.1 27 6 0 3 3 3 1 0 6 7 9 60 42 102 3 1.20 .188 7/3 Athletics Blue Jays 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 9.0 31 4 0 1 1 4 1 0 9 14 3 79 42 121 3 1.17 .593 7/8 Athletics Mariners 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 6.0 30 12 1 6 5 1 0 0 7 15 7 66 26 92 3 1.27 -.429 7/14 Athletics @Twins 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 7.2 34 10 0 4 4 2 1 0 12 14 4 71 35 106 3 0.88 -.086 7/20 Athletics Orioles 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 5.2 28 10 0 6 5 3 1 0 9 6 8 69 39 108 0 0.70 -.203 7/25 Athletics @Angels 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6.0 27 11 0 5 5 3 0 0 6 11 7 62 34 96 3 1.17 -.309 7/30 Athletics Tigers 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 6.2 28 9 0 5 5 5 0 0 9 9 4 67 43 110 2 1.07 -.176 8/4 Athletics Angels 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 29 8 0 1 1 0 2 1 8 13 5 68 37 105 2 1.10 .312 8/10 Athletics @Tigers 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 4.0 21 7 2 9 9 2 1 0 8 5 4 52 23 75 8 0.86 -.474 8/15 Athletics White Sox 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 26 5 0 0 0 5 0 0 3 13 4 70 30 100 3 1.11 .477 8/20 Athletics @Blue Jays 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 27 6 0 1 1 6 0 0 4 13 4 69 35 104 6 0.61 .165 8/25 Athletics @Devil Rays 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 5.0 23 7 1 4 4 5 1 0 7 5 4 67 35 102 0 0.59 -.153 8/31 Athletics Tigers 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 27 5 0 2 2 6 1 0 7 10 2 62 34 96 4 0.86 .215 9/5 Athletics @Angels 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 8.0 29 6 0 2 2 3 1 0 8 13 4 69 30 99 6 0.93 .266 9/10 Athletics @Mariners 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 29 8 0 2 2 1 1 0 5 15 6 66 30 96 5 0.75 .175 9/15 Athletics Rangers 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 26 5 0 3 3 6 1 0 6 7 6 67 32 99 7 0.96 .208 9/21 Athletics @Indians 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 5.2 29 10 2 4 4 4 3 1 6 10 4 59 47 106 1 1.21 -.142 9/26 Athletics @Red Sox 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 5.0 27 11 0 5 5 4 3 0 6 7 7 55 38 93 5 1.38 -.299 Fix the board code so this works

I know. I have them loaded in a spreadsheet. I think I got them off of fangraphs. I can't remember where I got them

yeah tim reiterated what i said linking to the stats and taking out the mean. but he didnt show the 48%-46% GB ratios from home to away.

not really. he's an above average starting pitcher. He's in the 60th to 70th percentile.

'bout time Utah.

i didnt make a personal comment i dont even know who im arguing with. And I wasn't referencing any of your comments when I posted this. yeah well it's usually me that you and other mods are referencing, so yeah...this is odd. i need to do something brinoch you suck!!!

i didnt make a personal comment i dont even know who im arguing with.

you bet your ass they are. 1. You're looking at ERA (AKA you're wasting your time) 2. I don't look at ERA and I had no idea that he led the league in ERA (and I don't care) 3. His splits are fine. Forget about them. 4. He's a good number 3, poor number 2. That's exactly what everyone thinks he is. 5. b/c of 1-4 your Blanton "analysis" -- if it can be called that -- is meaningless. You seriously drive me nuts sometimes. You have had three posts on this thread and you STILL haven't answered WHY his splits are not a big deal. I can't possibly see why they would not be, but I'm not blessed with your level of genius. Maybe you could descend long enough to explain this to us lesser forms? Would be appreciated. Let's see...... identical strike out rate identical walk rate identical ground ball rate ITS AMAZING HE'S THE SAME DAMN PITCHER ON THE ROAD AND AT HOME! OMG! OMG! OMG! OH MY GOD CALL THE COPS AND GIVE THEM THE 411!

He doesn't really "pitch" worse on the road.

You're making it seem as if people think Blanton is an ace, no one does. No one has. No one ever will. That was the entire point of your thread. You were saying how you didn't think Blanton was a difference maker and found some random split to compare him to Josh Towers to justify your point. Everyone already knows he's a #2/3 hybrid guy, which is never a difference maker. So your point was to prove to us that he wasnt a difference maker when we already thought that he wasnt a difference maker. In other words, your point was meaningless. You're trying to convince us on something that we're already convinced on. I already told you the splits didn't mean anything and not to pay attention to them. I refrained from talking about Khalil Greene, Josh Beckett, Courtney Simpson and other people because this is a Joe Blanton thread, something you specifically wanted to keep this thread about.

you bet your ass they are. 1. You're looking at ERA (AKA you're wasting your time) 2. I don't look at ERA and I had no idea that he led the league in ERA (and I don't care) 3. His splits are fine. Forget about them. 4. He's a good number 3, poor number 2. That's exactly what everyone thinks he is. 5. b/c of 1-4 your Blanton "analysis" -- if it can be called that -- is meaningless.