I can't believe people didn't see this coming (I don't mean you, and I don't mean necessarily against George Mason). K-State isn't going to be a top-25 team this year. Maybe if they still had Huggins. Honestly, I was surprised when I saw them in the preseason Top 25. Of course, at that time I was still under the impression that Beasley was a 6-4 guard for some reason, but still. I think they sold their soul to keep that recruiting class, so to speak. I don't think Martin is up to the task of high-major college coach. I agree completely. Martin will turn out to be a big mistake. Keeping together one recruiting class is never a sufficient reason to hire a coach. It's myopic. You guys are nuts! Wait til Sutton gets here in 2 weeks and Hoskins is back.. Without Hoskins, we're missing a key piece of this team. He was 2nd team all Big 12 last year. He adds a whole new piece to this team. Sutton will be another HUGE freshman influence. Sutton, Hoskins, Beasley, and a decent night from Walker makes this a whole different team. What we started tonight was a bunch of inexperience. I don't disagree that Martin needs to be more vocal, but we're fine. I really am one that does think a loss for this young of a team this early in the year is good. Add in our missing pieces, and we're fine. I for one am thinking that keeping Martin to keep the recruiting class was a good move. You all may change your minds come January... We'll make freshmen mistakes and lose a few we shouldn't, but we'll also win some big games. Mark my word. That being said, I do miss Cartier Martin. Hell.. look at what Martin has already layed out for 2009.. I know they haven't "signed" yet, but these commits are great to have this early... From rivals.com Wally Judge PF 6-9 218 - Jacksonville, FL -4 Star Rodney McGruder SG 6-4 195 - Washington, DC - 4 Star Talent is only half the battle. I don't know much about Martin, perhaps he is a good coach. If not, you'll soon realize how little 4 stars means with no one to coach. I'm not sticking up for Martin, but I do think he'll learn as this team will. It'll get better as the year goes on. I hope we start to see the Huggins in him soon. We're one week into the season, and having a player like Beasley doesn't ever hurt. He makes it look way too easy. We'll get to the tourney, especially if Hoskins does come back, which by the way does worry me from what I'm now hearing from my inside people. I'd change my tune a bit if Hoskins doesn't come back. That being said, if he doesn't we'll struggle until we gain an identity. Also if he doesn't, I'm happy we'd have him and Walker next year, as he'd likely get a medical redshirt, and there's no way Beasley is not in the NBA next year. Sutton will be big in a couple/3 weeks, and once, he gets going we'll be pretty good in January/Feb. I like Martin and his intensity, but if he can coach or not is yet to be seen. That being said though, I love the committments he's getting for the future.. If Hoskins doesn't come back, and Walker doesn't learn to play the 2 (I personally think he should be playin the 3), we may do less than I think this year. I don't ever hype this team as a top 10 team, but we'll be in the top 25 most of the year if what i'm thinking they can do is correct, and we learn some chemistry.