Yea I really dont know where the whole"Greg Maddux didnt have good stuff" came from, but Ive heard it alot. Maddux had one of the best moving fastballs of any pitcher Ive ever seen, and his curve was no slouch either. Maddux was very smart, but he also had some very good stuff also. You touched on it with Maddux... he was a very smart guy, and a smart pitcher. He had good stuff, consistent stuff, and he studied the game and the players enough to know how to use what he had effectively.