Does trading Eddie Butler and Rollie Lacy for Hamels count as pretty much nothing? How about getting Chavez for Tyler Thomas? Those are just the recent ones. Just because we haven't had young studs developed through the system doesn't mean that we've gotten "pretty much nothing". Yes, definitely counts for nothing. The Hamels trade wasn't made for some burning desire to have Eddie Butler and Rollie Lacy. It was a salary dump. Who cares? It's still turning farm system pitching into quality pitching, no matter the motivation.