Banedon

That was horribly depressing.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/bears/cst-spt-bearnt07.html Ian Scott is set to have arthroscopic knee surgery, but they predict he should be back in time for the opener. They suspect the worst for Bryan Johnson though.

Well I'm apparently the only one that voted for option 2. Yay me for originality. To me, having a limited number of starts for week would make it a more fair competition. It's more about how well your guys pitched, than how many guys you could push out there.

But if he'd never felt #1 before...it might has just scared him. I'm hoping it's something like that. What's the difference between a separation and a dislocation?

Lovie really seems to be downplaying the injury. Man I hope it's nothing serious.

my guess is that Pierre would be playing LF for the Cubs next year. They fairly intent on signing him. It is interesting that Fontenot isn't on the 40-man roster yet and that the Cubs haven't replaced the open spot(s) on that roster. Unless they put Pierre in the A. Jones deal. But there I go dreaming.

This ones official. For cash and PTBNL.

For my own sanity, I refuse to consider scenarios for 07 that include Dusty. LOL! No doubt! I just feel it coming. If Dusty wants to come back he's a Cub next year. I don't think so. Personally, I think Hendry's already told Dusty he's gone after this year. I think they agreed on the rest of the year so that Dusty could leave and not be "fired". That's the feeling I get.

For my own sanity, I refuse to consider scenarios for 07 that include Dusty.

Who would leadoff if Jones moves to CF? Murton Hmmm...Interesting. Food for thought. Let's see how the rest of the season goes for Murton. Or if you picked up Soriano for 2B, he could lead off. Soriano 2B Murton LF Lee 1B Barrett C Ramirez 3B Jones RF Pierre CF Izturis SS P I'd rather lose Pierre, but if he's coming back, this lineup would be the best I can forsee.

Or SS.

Also this note from Teddy Greenstein: Bold added by me.

Meh...reading that article it looks like Sully just got that impression from Baker...not anyone else. And a few lines below we get this quote from Dusty: Sure...because I think he knows that he's not going to be around next year. So of course he's not worried about next years LF either.

No. You are sure of that? See my point is all of this is arbitrary! You can't assume for a fact that Baker was the reason for these guys breaking down? Sure I agree 140 pitches in a inning is just way too much, but Wood mechanics being flawed from that start can't be ignored. I don't think it is arbitrary at all. I think it shows a direct correlation between how they were overused in 2003 and the problems suffered since. In 2003 Prior and Wood combined for 32 wins, since then they have 30. What other LOGICAL explanation is there? Haven't most of Prior injuries been fluke injuries? He was bound to break down anyway.

No. You are sure of that? See my point is all of this is arbitrary! You can't assume for a fact that Baker was the reason for these guys breaking down? Sure I agree 140 pitches in a inning is just way too much, but Wood mechanics being flawed from that start can't be ignored. The problem is that we're presenting a case for Baker's guilt using statistics and common sense situations where Baker has made poor decisions, and you're presenting opinion as indisputable fact. You also keep arguing about Wood and Prior, and ignore the fact that Zambrano is being significantly overused year after year, and the fact that he hasn't broken down yet doesn't mean that it's not going to catch up with him.

How is it moot when it directly implicates Bakers bad decision making when it comes to pitching, the whole reason for this argument? Does Baker make that call or Hendry? Both!

No.

How is it moot when it directly implicates Bakers bad decision making when it comes to pitching, the whole reason for this argument?

Wood problems were way before Baker You're wrong. In 1999 he had his TJ surgery, which was the culmination of a lifetime's worth of abuse. In 2000 he came back in May, and had your typical "back from elbow surgery" season. From 2001-2003 he made over 90 starts. His current woes began after a 2003 season that saw him throw 3545 pitches, which IIRC was the most of anyone in the league. 2003 also saw him throw the following #'s of pitches in games: 122 on April 12th, 141 pitches on May 10th, 121 on May 15th, 126 on June 29th, 129 on July 9th, 130 on July 19th, and 125 on August 27th. In total, he had 13 starts not including the postseason with more than 120 pitches. Wood's problems begin the season after Baker arrived. There's no way around it. People can talk about mechanics or conditioning all they want, but the way he was worked in 2003 was asking for him to break down. No offense but you can't blame this on Baker. Kerry Wood was bound to break down again because of piss pour mechenics. I agree that 2003 didn't help his cause, but I didn't see any fans complaining when we were thisclose from going to the world series. It's like people complaining about Ozzie letting pitchers complete games in the playoffs and WS, and now his staff looks tired. If you have a chance at the ring all bets are off. Sorry I don't blame Baker for Riding Prior and Wood because every manager would do the same. Those were his strengths that year. you are dead wrong, people were openly questioning what Baker was doing in 2003 by leaving these guys in games for so long. I recall one game in particular, I believe it was in Florida when Baker left Wood in a game to throw well over 120 pitches in 90+ degree heat so he could get a complete game. Dusty thinks too much about the battle which causes him to lose the war. If I recall correctly, Z faded at the end of 2003 due to the fact he had never worked that many innings or thrown that many pitches in a season before. Don't forget that pretty much the main reason we lost game 6 in 2003 was that Prior was left in too long.

That doesn't explain Zambrano this year, or last year.

I don't have that. Here's what I have Pitcher abuse points 2003 Kerry Wood 2nd Mark Prior 3rd Carlos Zambrano 11th Pitcher abuse points 2004 Carlos Zambrano 3rd Kerry Wood 16th Pitcher abuse points 2005 Carlos Zambrano 2nd Mark Prior 3rd Pitcher abuse points 2006 Carlos Zambrano 3rd

I don't know about that? Wood problems were way before Baker and has Z really been overworked this year? And most of Prior injuries have been accidents...i.e. Linedrive off his elbow, collision with Giles....Or non-arm problems Achillies heel, Oblique Muscle...Etc... Baker was still part of the decision making process that had Wood pitching from the bullpen at the end of last year instead of having his surgery then. And Z has thrown a lot of pitches this year. I don't have the numbers, but I don't think he's thrown under 100 pitches most of the year, and he's near the top of pitcher abuse points. And in 2003, Prior threw a ton. His injury actually helped him get a break, if I remember right.

Trade Barrett. His defense sucks. O:)

Why would we want to be jerks to the Red Sox? I can think of alot of teams I wouldn't mind screwing, but Boston isn't one of them. Especially not if we're risking ending up with Javy freakin Lopez. Are you kidding? Red Sox fans are worse than Yankee fans since 2004. Come on, RS... I love the Cubs, but Cubs fans are far worse than Red Sox fans. I don't know of a whinier fan base than the Cubs, and if we ever do win a World Series... I cannot imagine how obnoxious our fans would become. Heck, we're a laughingstock and still obnoxious. whaaat??? Guys he called me whiny...I'm not whiny....I'm gonna tell!!!

I realize that the NFL is very different...but I'd like to see a little of that creep into the Cubs philosophy. Hendry would determine his QB based on who had the best 4th quarters. :lol: He also never would've released Chad Hutchinson.