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[george costanza] Can't you desour? Why can't you desour?[/george costanza] Show me 2003 the rest of this season and all of next season (plus no DL), and I will desour. I don't see it happening, but if it somehow did, I would.

Agreed. If they keep KG, they're in the playoffs this year.

Por que? To simplify, tools over actual skills/production, and overhype based on a couple games. I'd say being able to fly like Superman and throw it down like he can is an actual skill. If that's his only skill, he won't succeed in the NBA. Thankfully, it isn't. Atlanta's stupidness >>> Portland's Agreed. I love his shot blocking ability too. If he is out there with Tyson, we've got the Berlin wall in front of our hoop. I hope he posterizes Shaq at some point, even though I am a big fan of Diesel.

Por que? To simplify, tools over actual skills/production, and overhype based on a couple games. I'd say being able to fly like Superman and throw it down like he can is an actual skill.

Well, this is who I wanted since the NCAAs. Nice pick.

What does average matter? Nothing. It does matter a little bit. A single is better than a walk. And both are better than an out. Dunn makes significantly fewer outs while hitting for the same power. He's better. That's what I said a few posts ago. Saying average doesn't matter at all though is foolish. A single is better than a walk. Average matters very little compared to OBP and SLG. Using it as a means to try to rip Dunn, which is what Neuby was doing, is foolish. That's fine, but goony is wrong for saying it has no value. Don't even try to tell me a walk is just as good as a single.

If the Cubs banked all of their World Series hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher, then they should be fired for banking all their hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher. This team is not in the toilet because of Mark Prior. If he isn't worth anything to the Cubs and therefore tradeable for whatever they can get for him, what exactly makes him worth anything to any other team for them to be dumb enough to offer something for him? Simple question. I'm not saying trade him today but very soon. There are a lot of stupid GMs in baseball and Mark Prior is a name player. Now I said stupid, not completely brain dead. I don't have access to what value players have because I'm not a GM. Based on the stupid trades I've seen before, I think if Prior were to put a few really good games together, you could find a team that would give you a very useful player in return for him this year. Now, if that stretch of very good games does come and the trade presents itself, I'd take it. If you don't make that trade, you have to be prepared to wait until his free agency and see what he's done. If you do that, he could leave the team as a free agent if he's good, resign or never have recovered and be useless. I think that's one heck of a gamble to make. We're already assuming he would stay here if he does recover, and even then we don't know if he ever will recover. There's so many variables involved that it just doesn't seem smart to me to take that risk. If they did, of course I would hope that it would work out even though I wouldn't think it would. In an ESPN.com article dated about three weeks ago, an anonymous GM was quoted as saying the only thing you could get from Prior right now is a "B" prospect. Couple that with Hendry's inability to judge minor league talent, Prior's cost and the fact that he's tied up until '08, and there's no reason to trade him now. There should be some sort of rule a GM follows that says "with very few exceptions, if a player is 'hot' and under 30, don't trade him in season. If a player is 'hot' and over thirty, deal him July 1st." I saw that quote. I don't know if it is 100% true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I guess we don't know how much a very good couple weeks in a row would change that either. As for your theory, I agree with it, but I also think that when you have an under 30 player who has been injured as much as Prior, you should add a few years onto his age for those purposes. If you have a 2003 Ferrari, it isn't exactly the same if it's been salvaged. he isn't a car, and that analogy makes no sense. when you buy a new car, it would be assumed that it's at it's best when it's brand new right off the lot because as soon as it leaves the lot it loses value. a baseball player, grows and learns his trade, becoming better the more knowledgeable he becomes on the strikezone, the league, how to attack different players, etc etc. though i will say there are some players who are great in their rookie year, and then the book gets out on them(as dusty would say), ie jerome walton & dwight smith, i think it would be ignorant to put mark prior into that class. but to compare a baseball player to a car is stretching it. i guess i don't understand some things: why do you hate mark prior so much? and why do you love to argue all the time? I was as big a fan of Prior as anybody at one point. I'm soured on him now though. I want the Cubs to win first and foremost. I don't have sentimental value to the names and faces. That's a Moneyball philosophy, actually. As far as arguing goes, that's all that happens on this board. People have different opinions about things and feel strongly about them.

What does average matter? Nothing. It does matter a little bit. A single is better than a walk. And both are better than an out. Dunn makes significantly fewer outs while hitting for the same power. He's better. That's what I said a few posts ago. Saying average doesn't matter at all though is foolish. A single is better than a walk.

I wonder what the Bulls would gain by doing that. Do they have their 2nd rounder? I'll take that.

Sorry, but you're wrong for defending Baker here. He doesn't teach swing at ball 4. But he does loudly downplay the value of the walk, bench players whose best quality is patience, try to get patient hitters to be more aggressive and teach overly aggressive approaches at the plate. Just because he doesn't say swing at ball 4 that doesn't mean his instructions don't lead to people swinging at ball 4. It's part of the package when you preach what he preaches. You can't deny responsibility for the negative ramifications of your bad philosophies. I don't get how what you stated is much different that what I stated. He doesn't say swing at ball four and by being overly aggressive means our hitters rarely get to ball three counts, anyway. But in the rare instances our guys do get to ball three, Baker's philosophy and our hitters' lack of pitch recognition makes it difficult for ball four. Hey, when is someone going to ask him why he downplays walks on the offensive side, but hates them when we give them up? Cuse said, "Dusty preaches aggresive hitting and with that comes swinging at ball 4" and you tried to defend Baker by saying he doesn't preach swinging at ball 4. It doesn't matter if he doesn't preach that, he preaches something that leads to ball 4. There is no defense for Baker on that charge, and there's no reason for you to try and defend him. So, swinging at a helmet high pitch or a breaking pitch eight inches outside comes from preaching "be aggressive" yet they were able to take three other pitches during the at-bat? As I said, I hate Baker's philosophy, but to give players a free pass on consistently swinging at obvious balls is ridiculous. I'm on your side. I don't like Baker and want him gone, but I'm not going to blame him for everything and give players a free pass for being stupid just because Dusty is the manager.

What does average matter? Nothing. It does matter a little bit. A single is better than a walk.

If the Cubs banked all of their World Series hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher, then they should be fired for banking all their hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher. This team is not in the toilet because of Mark Prior. If he isn't worth anything to the Cubs and therefore tradeable for whatever they can get for him, what exactly makes him worth anything to any other team for them to be dumb enough to offer something for him? Simple question. I'm not saying trade him today but very soon. There are a lot of stupid GMs in baseball and Mark Prior is a name player. Now I said stupid, not completely brain dead. I don't have access to what value players have because I'm not a GM. Based on the stupid trades I've seen before, I think if Prior were to put a few really good games together, you could find a team that would give you a very useful player in return for him this year. Now, if that stretch of very good games does come and the trade presents itself, I'd take it. If you don't make that trade, you have to be prepared to wait until his free agency and see what he's done. If you do that, he could leave the team as a free agent if he's good, resign or never have recovered and be useless. I think that's one heck of a gamble to make. We're already assuming he would stay here if he does recover, and even then we don't know if he ever will recover. There's so many variables involved that it just doesn't seem smart to me to take that risk. If they did, of course I would hope that it would work out even though I wouldn't think it would. In an ESPN.com article dated about three weeks ago, an anonymous GM was quoted as saying the only thing you could get from Prior right now is a "B" prospect. Couple that with Hendry's inability to judge minor league talent, Prior's cost and the fact that he's tied up until '08, and there's no reason to trade him now. There should be some sort of rule a GM follows that says "with very few exceptions, if a player is 'hot' and under 30, don't trade him in season. If a player is 'hot' and over thirty, deal him July 1st." I saw that quote. I don't know if it is 100% true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I guess we don't know how much a very good couple weeks in a row would change that either. As for your theory, I agree with it, but I also think that when you have an under 30 player who has been injured as much as Prior, you should add a few years onto his age for those purposes. If you have a 2003 Ferrari, it isn't exactly the same if it's been salvaged.

True, I'm not saying Lee is as good offensively as Dunn, but a hit is better than a walk, even if it isn't for extra bases.

I really like what I have seen from Eyre and what he's done since getting the medication he needs. IMO, Asking price should be a good starting position player in return for him. Someone like Nady.

Naw, Detroit and Miami will still and should still be picked ahead of them. However, I think if we got Garnett for basically just the picks, we'd def. be a step above teams like Cleveland and Orlando.

Wait didn't Cedeno go 20+ games in a row until that error last night? Oh and in 47 games Neifi has 6 errors, while in 72 games Cedeno has 12. Neifi is not that much better than Cedeno. Are those 6 errors all at SS? Also, isn't the concensus on this board that the season is lost anyway so we should be playing the kids as much as possible so they get better? Yeah, but they aren't doing that. They think they are still in it. Therefore, if you were in it, it would make sense to put Neifi at SS for the 9th.

If the Cubs banked all of their World Series hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher, then they should be fired for banking all their hopes on 1 every 5th day pitcher. This team is not in the toilet because of Mark Prior. If he isn't worth anything to the Cubs and therefore tradeable for whatever they can get for him, what exactly makes him worth anything to any other team for them to be dumb enough to offer something for him? Simple question. I'm not saying trade him today but very soon. There are a lot of stupid GMs in baseball and Mark Prior is a name player. Now I said stupid, not completely brain dead. I don't have access to what value players have because I'm not a GM. Based on the stupid trades I've seen before, I think if Prior were to put a few really good games together, you could find a team that would give you a very useful player in return for him this year. Now, if that stretch of very good games does come and the trade presents itself, I'd take it. If you don't make that trade, you have to be prepared to wait until his free agency and see what he's done. If you do that, he could leave the team as a free agent if he's good, resign or never have recovered and be useless. I think that's one heck of a gamble to make. We're already assuming he would stay here if he does recover, and even then we don't know if he ever will recover. There's so many variables involved that it just doesn't seem smart to me to take that risk. If they did, of course I would hope that it would work out even though I wouldn't think it would.

Wait didn't Cedeno go 20+ games in a row until that error last night? Oh and in 47 games Neifi has 6 errors, while in 72 games Cedeno has 12. Neifi is not that much better than Cedeno. Are those 6 errors all at SS?

Wow are you this obtuse? He's had other non-dusty related setbacks during that team which have only magnified and excerbated the situation. Is it that hard to see or is your raging hard-on for getting rid of Prior that dominating? This thread is about why I think it's wrong to both blame Dusty for ruining him and wanting to keep him. Wrong if you want the Cubs to win anyway. Now people are saying he's possibly ruined just the early part of his career. I can accept that possibility; I'm just wondering how many years that would constituted in your and likeminded people's opinions. I understand what you're asking, but I think it's an unanswerable question. As someone else pointed out his velocity is rebounding (I saw him hit 93 serveral times in Minneapolis) and his stuff is coming back in only his second start... No one knows how long to wait, but he's still too young, and his trade value is TOO low to give up on him. Well, I know it's very low, but I also really believe that if the Cubs end up getting nothing out of this asset, whether it's a player in return or Prior pitching like he used to again, it's going to take even longer to win a world series or even improve the record.

What are the actions I'm supposed to hold him accountable for? Not being great? Being injured? Having setbacks after being overused at a very young age? Okay. Mark Prior, you dastardly fiend, how dare you get injured and have setbacks. Now get back in there and get better today, there is no room for gradual improvements. This is baseball, nobody ever takes time to improve, or get back to health, and nobody ever suffers setbacks. Like I said, just tell me how many years he gets to recover. None of us are doctors, how are we to know? We do know it's too soon to give up on him. He's only 25, his velocity is already back and he's shown lots signs of rebounding to his old form. Well, how many years in your non-medical but baseball fan opinion would you give him before you conceded that it's time to trade him. If he regains form, we keep him, of course. I'm just wondering how you guys think about this situation because it's very confusing to me. That's all I wanted to know.

Wow are you this obtuse? He's had other non-dusty related setbacks during that team which have only magnified and excerbated the situation. Is it that hard to see or is your raging hard-on for getting rid of Prior that dominating? This thread is about why I think it's wrong to both blame Dusty for ruining him and wanting to keep him. Wrong if you want the Cubs to win anyway. Now people are saying he's possibly ruined just the early part of his career. I can accept that possibility; I'm just wondering how many years that would constituted in your and likeminded people's opinions.

What are the actions I'm supposed to hold him accountable for? Not being great? Being injured? Having setbacks after being overused at a very young age? Okay. Mark Prior, you dastardly fiend, how dare you get injured and have setbacks. Now get back in there and get better today, there is no room for gradual improvements. This is baseball, nobody ever takes time to improve, or get back to health, and nobody ever suffers setbacks. Like I said, just tell me how many years he gets to recover.

Then just tell me how much time he gets to recover because it obviously is more than 3 years.

He should be blamed for getting injured? You don't make any sense. The theory is that Dusty's use hurt Prior. It may not have completely ruined him. And he might be able to come back from those problems and get better. Just because he has a chance to recover from the abuse related setbacks earlier in his career doesn't mean he should be criticized for not being great right now. Seriously, you don't make any sense whatsoever. Seriously, you don't make any sense whatsoever. You want to give Prior the benefit of the doubt when does bad but praise him when he does good. That's b.s. Hold him accountable for his actions or blame it on Dusty, accept what Dusty did and get rid of him.

Well, learn how to read first because this isn't a trade Prior thread. Secondly, I've probably made 5 or 6, with the last one being a month or so ago.