no carpenter??? i'd think he'd have to make the top 14. Throw him into the top 15, but where he fits 11-15 is up for debate for me. I have a few concerns for him: - he has been a year too old for his levels, until AA last year where he went 0-3 and posted just average numbers, - his numbers in college never showed much (I know about his injury history...), - I think guys like Rhee, Archer, and Raley may ultimately have better stuff, Reasons for including Archer, Rhee, and Raley: - Chris Archer was amazing at Peoria last year as a 20 year old. More K's than IP, very few hits, 0 HR's in 109 IP. - Dae-Eun Rhee was the Cubs #4 prospect last year and had success in 40 IP at Peoria. High signing bonus/solid scouting reports. I'm a little worried about how he recovers from surgery, though. - Brooks Raley had a good college career, high signing bonus, and is a lefty with great stuff. - Chris Carpenter seems to fit well in that group - which order would people put these four guys & why??? For now, I think you have to go by their most recent accomplishments. Which, for me would put them Carpenter, Archer, Rhee, and Raley, in that order. Carpenter had a very solid year and although his age is a tad high, he's been hurt some, which contributes to that. Archer was great last year, although I would have liked to see him go deeper into some games. Hopefully that happens this year. Rhee WAS great in 2008, but now is a question mark obviously. Raley would be last for me, because we really have nothing to go on of him, other than college. After the upcoming season though, I'm going to predict we look at these guys in THIS order here......Archer/Raley/Rhee/Carpenter. If Archer has a good year at Daytona, he'll start moving up lists quickly. I DO think Raley will succeed, especially with him concentrating on pitching for the first time in his career. I have no idea what to think of Rhee, other than AZ Phil's reports at the end of the season. I figure he comes back but won't have his true stuff until 2011. And although I have Carpenter 1st if I rank them right now, I don't see him staying healthy enough longterm to where we can count on him for anything more than middle relief. This explains my thoughts perfectly - thanks Davell. I'm just trying to stay ahead of the curve! BA does the same thing. They give some credit to a player's "stuff" and some credit to their accomplishments. That's how a Hak-Ju Lee makes it into a Top 10 list before he has any experience (last year). His ceiling is higher than the ceiling + the accomplishments of others in our system. But I do also agree that experience should be taken strongly into consideration, which is why it can be argued that Carpenter, Archer, Rhee, and Raley could be in any order.