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At least Pettite's upside is pretty close to great. I'd much rather pay Andy $15m for one year than Lilly anything close to $10-11 for 4-5 years. I'm not a Pettite fan, but he's far more attractive an option than Lilly.
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Why not just have Dempster start, you'd get the same thing Meche can give you, for half the price and no longterm committment.
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agreed If Manny stays, the Boston lineup is going to be ridiculous. And they won't need Drew to be at his best to get there. Lugo is nothing special, but he's better than Gonzalez. Drew is better than Nixon. That team could be right back on top in the runs scored department, or at least contending with the Yankees (well, with Abreu there all year, maybe not).
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Manny Ramirez?
goonys evil twin replied to CP_414's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
So, if the deadline passes and Manny is still in Boston, along with Drew, do Boston OFers become available via trade and does Hendry start looking at them? -
You haven't refuted a thing.
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Why do people always tell others how to feel with regards to the direction the Cubs are going? The Cubs, and Hendry specifically, have repeatedly shown poor decision making ability and priorities in personel matters, especially during the offseason. The time to panic was years ago. It's time for Hendry to do a 180 and make some smart decisions. Before that happens people have the right to feel however they want about what he is going to do.
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Pretty much everything Jim has done this winter has given me, and a lot of others, that he is determined to trade Jones. Except that he hasn't done or said anything with respect to Jones other than cryptic GM-speak. This is a media driven issue alone. No it isn't. He signed a guy to play Jones's position. He's said he tries to accomodate players who request trades, and insinuated that he knows Jacque doesn't want to be here. He's talked about getting other LH OF help, and has stated repeatedly that Murton will remain. And there are other baseball people out there saying that Jim seems intent on dealing Jones. That's not media driven. Just because he didn't come out and say, "I am going to trade Jacque Jones this winter" doesn't mean he hasn't done or said anything with respect to Jones being dealt. It seems pretty clear to me Jones won't be back. The odds are heavily in the favor of a trade.
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I wouldn't call it a dream to bring in Meche. Schmidt and Lilly would be cool, adding Gil to that group is overkill and not helpful.
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Eric Patterson working on center field
goonys evil twin replied to BleedCubbieBlue81's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
I wouldn't say it's obvious, considering he's never played a full season anywhere, and 2B hasn't even been his primary position. The plan is obviously for him to be the everyday 2B all year, but I would not be the least bit surprised if he proved to Piniella that he can't do it. Might as well platoon EPatt and Theriot in center, with the way things are going this offseason. -
I just can't believe Hendry has targetted Lilly as aggressively as he apparantly has. Lilly was well down the list of guys he should have gone after. I was fine with him as a secondary target. Agents know Jim isn't being the least bit conservative with his money, and they know if Jim is talking to them that means Jim wants their guy and will spend whatever it takes. It's beginning to look like missing out on Furcal last year had much worse lasting effects than if he had just signed the guy in the first place. Now Jim is determined to never be outbid on another moderately effective free agent again. And everybody knows it.
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Pretty much everything Jim has done this winter has given me, and a lot of others, that he is determined to trade Jones. At this point, I'd be surprised if he doesn't. And while I'm not big Jones fan, I feel that what we end up with is likely to be worth less than what we had.
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Hendry has always liked stuff and body type over actual effectiveness. And he doesn't care if guys give up lots of walks. It's the mirror image of his weakness for position players, where he likes tools and physical talent over actual production, and doesn't care for guys who take lots of walks.
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I've never thought of Whitlock as a reporter, he's more of a rabble rousing columnist.
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Considering how crazy the market is right now, you're not going to get a guy like Jacque Jones for $5M per year unless it's via a trade. Nixon and Gonzalez probably aren't going to sign for a contract significantly more than Jacque's. That's only because Nixon can't stay healthy enough to play everyday and Luis is a washed up old man.
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Part of that is because of this year's playoffs. Mediocre pitching ruled. Next year it will be something else that gets a bounce. But Lilly can be more than a servicable 4 at his best. In his best seasons, he's been more than a servicable 4. In this market, if you make all your starts and are have at least average results, you will get paid. But that's partially because there are so few guys out there who make all their starts with average effectiveness and are free agents. Teams need 5 startings pitchers, and if guys get hurt, they need more. Hendry, coming off a year where they were starting guys who had no business on a 40 man roster, was desperate for people who could go close to 200 innings and be okay. But that's how Maddux was compensated the past two years. He was just a 200 IP guy who didn't suck, and he got $9m the last two years. MLB teams are willing to pay a premium to pitchers who make all their starts. In years past they've given huge deals to very talented guys who couldn't make all their starts. It's a constantly shifting market.
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Two things, I don't see why it would necessarily cost $175-200m just to field a respectable team. And, 8 years ago people would have said the same thing, only using $75-90m as the number. There have been a heck of a lot of mediocre starting pitchers who have signed for between 8 and 10 million in recent years. This is not completely out of the blue. Plus, baseball balances this out with how cheap young talent is. In football, draftees get 8 figure signings bonuses and count huge against the cap right away. In baseball, you have guys like John Lackey, who has been a good pitcher for 4+ years and has barely made $4 million. Not every team has to sign free agent $10m 4th starters. Some teams, like Oakland, will always be more efficient with their money. You are acting as if everybody is going to look like the Cubs. The Cubs are going to spend more than the vast majority of teams.
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Sorry if it was already posted but I thought it was interesting. In other words: I painted myself into a corner and now I'm screwed.
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How do you know? You've done a revenue analysis? I haven't done a revenue analysis, but if average #4 starters keep getting 4/40 and Gary Matthew Jr. types keep getting 5/50 it looks to me like it will soon require a Yankees-size payroll to field an MLB contender. That's how expanding economies work. It wasn't that long ago that a $95 million payroll was considered obscene. Today, a $2 billion publicly traded company would be considered a small cap stock, that wasn't the case 10 years ago.
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Determining the College Football Champion
goonys evil twin replied to TruffleShuffle's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I didn't know that. -
You have to be in it to win it. This bubble is simply getting salaries back to where they were a few years ago, when ho-hum pitchers were getting $10+m and any first baseman that was any good got $17m. The money is obviously available, owners wouldn't authorize the contracts if they didn't think they could be paid. Baseball is probably in the best position as far as teams that get a lot of production out of their least expensive players, with the whole arbitration and free agency after 6 years set-up. They make up for it by overpaying guys who last long enough to be free agents and still contribute. Your theory is only true if the owners are dead wrong on their forecasts for future revenue, and/or the economy crashes.
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It's tough to determine whether Hendry has looked into Rowand or somebody is speculating that since Rowand has been rumored to be available, and the Cubs want a CF, that there might be a match. If Hendry trades for Rowand, he's an idiot.
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I think that's the same thing Vance posted this morning.
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Z/Schmidt/Hill/Lilly/Miller-Prior That's a rotation I could be happy with. Now go get a SS and a CF Hendry. I don't like the idea of pitching your left-handed starters back to back. Specially considering Lilly and Hill have a similar style of pitching. Zambrano Schmidt Lilly Miller/Prior Hill That is how I would set the rotation. That's a good point, I didn't even think of that. To be honest, I think I'd prefer Hill #3 and Lilly #5 though, but we all know that won't happen. Order doesn't matter. When you talk about a team's 1-5, it doesn't necessarily mean what order they make their starts. If you want to stagger your lefties that's one thing. But you don't have to worry about whether Hill is 3 and Lilly is 4 or 5 or whatever. Over the course of 162 games, rotations will not stay constant, orderwise. But the quality of your pitchers is where you want to worry about 1,2,3,4 and 5.
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Where was Jim Hendry quoted? If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have? What approach would you suggest Hendry take for moving Jones, if it's not to sit down with other GMs at the Winter Meetings and see what they'd give for him? Is he supposed to keep Jones' availability a secret or something? You have to keep open the idea that you won't trade him. Jim got himself into trouble when he decided to trade Patterson, Sosa and Farnsworth, at whatever price. It let other GMs know that when Jim wants to move guys, you don't have to pay much to get the guy. If Jim has a mission to trade Jacque, he's not helping the team. He should listen to offers, or offer Jones is deals that help the club. But it looks like one of his goals is to trade Jones, just like one of his goals is to apparantly overpay for Ted Lilly.
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Darin Erstad?
goonys evil twin replied to apete6's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
I'm gonna guess that was a misinterpretation of the actual feelings. Erstad stinks, and I think most of the NSBB board members laugh at the man love ESPN and friends gave him.