Johnson's was 20 and Lou's was 16. So what? They were both very long ago. And Johnson was with Baltimore for 2 years. His first year he improved the team by 17 wins and won the wild card. He got 10 more wins in his 2nd year, when Baltimore won 98. He was 2-2 in playoffs series with Bmore, then he was gone, when Angelos's overpaid bunch of over the hill veterans disintigrated. He did not have "several chances". He finished 1st or 2nd in 12 of 14 seasons as a manager, a lot of which took place before the 3 division and wild card format made that easier to accomplish. Lou was 1st or 2nd 8 of 19 times and had a lot of 3, 4 and 5th place finishes during the 3 division era. Davey also had a higher winning percentage. I'm not sure it's possible to say definitively which manager was better, but Johnson had more success. Of course he did. He coached much better teams. What did you expect from those Tampa teams: .500 record........playoffs?!? Lou had a lot of 3rd and worst place finishes in Seattle, with some of the most talented baseball players in history, and the benefit of a 4 team division.