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  1. On Raley - Just to be clear, in case it was my comments you were referencing (calling his stuff average), I didn't mean to suggest Raley had "no stuff". I was simply saying that, the reason I have Rusin ahead of Raley, even though I expect Raley to add/improve stuff and/or velo as he gets more accustomed to full-time pitching, is because Rusin performed better and at a higher level, and their stuff is about the same right now. I know others, I think it was O_O, had Raley around 10-13 as well, and I can understand that as sort of a nod to where he's at and the hope that he'll add some more.
  2. I don't anticipate the Cubs system ranking being anything more than middle of the pack. That said, I do tend to agree that this was a positive year for the system. There were, relatively, few major disappointments. Some arms finished strong (Raley/Whitenack come to mind). We probably still have 3 top 50ish guys. The system is far deeper on the pitching side, particularly as you move down the ladder. A lot of those arms will likely falter, but having some intriguing depth there is nice.
  3. I mean, I understand the upside argument, and if he makes the improvements that Cabrera, and to a lesser extent, Archer, made in the past year, then sure, I'd slide him up in a heartbeat. Right now, he sounds as intriguing to me as ... Luis Liria (and I don't say this in jest - Liria is able to touch mid-90's, has some room for projection, has a good change, and has a decent breaking ball). As for Wells/Lopez, I think the big difference, relative to reports, is that Wells is already able to run the fastball into the mid-90's (he did it a little bit at the end of his senior year), and has shown two advanced secondary pitches. Tis the fun of rankings, though (discussion that is).
  4. so, in the thread over at sickels, several people, along with davell here, have suggested that robinson lopez should be significantly higher, and they all point to the Mike Newman report, so I weent back to read it again.. http://scoutingthesally.com/2010/08/scouting-report-robinson-lopez-p-atlanta-braves/ I'm reading over that report right now ... and I'm just not sure what people are seeing in there to make him go that much higher. Elite fastball velocity, but fastball's a bit straight and he suggests that what you see is what you are getting (although obviously, elite fastball velocity on hand already). Curve is fringe-average with potential, but loses release point. Unwilling to go to change-up in game action. All in all ... I might've had Lopez too low ... but I'm still not sure I see the argument for Lopez being ahead of, say, Cabrera, who has an upper 80's hard slider that seems more polished than Lopez's curve right now.
  5. mildly interesting draft report card - are they loosely suggesting that the cubs were pondering Pinckard as more of a CF?
  6. I'd really love to talk to the scout who gave the report on Na. Even if you acknowledged the range/speed and arm, what did he exactly see offensively to suggest that Na was deserving of such a high bonus?
  7. Thanks. An anti-HR sinking 2-seam 90-92 seems a lot more valuable to me than a straight 95. The notion that Carpenter works more as a sinker guy than a high-velocity guy probably fits better with his relatively high-hits-low-HR results. Hopefully he comes up with a more consistent quality breaking pitch. So, on simpson, are you and oo thinking that June mono is going to have caused him a career-long weight-loss and arm-loss or something? Not sure I follow why a summer-2010 weight-loss would have much impact on stuff/performance in 2011-12-13-14-etc.? Honestly, this was my 2nd run through. Last year, it was 5 run throughs or so before I came up with the final list that I was comfortable with. I may end up pushing Simpson back up a touch. I do love Wells upside, though. I blame the evil Outshined_One for feeding me all the talk about weight loss (j/k).
  8. I'm fairly optimistic about Simpson. It's just, I try to stand by certain sets of rules with which to judge by. I don't think I did as good a job in holding the line this year on those rules (Wells/Golden come to mind, huge, huge upside nods with zero performance to back it up, and I tend to not do that to the extent I pushed them up this year). I'm with you in that, I don't believe this was a signability pick. I do get the feeling that Wilken was hoping someone would be there (maybe Chris Sale ... I thought there was a rumor about that). I honestly think Simpson was the top guy on their board. It just so happened that he was willing to sign for slot. I really don't buy that this was a signability argument, or that Wilken reached him for fear of missing him later. I may end up pushing Simpson ahead of Golden and Wells (that said, I'm probably too "in" on Wells ... I think there's a case that Ben Wells has the most arm upside in the system). I have a hard time pushing him ahead of my top 8 - Lake's upside is arguably the best in the system and he's had some performance in A+. As of now, I guess I've been listening to O_O too much on the loss of weight and needing to build his arm strength back, so I slid him down a few slots from my first go-around (initially had him 9th ahead of the two youngsters).
  9. As a quick side note, since Carpenter is getting the discussion here right now, I admit that was as much a default move as it was a positive for Carpenter, as I just was wary of putting anyone else there.
  10. From what I know, and I wasn't able to go down south much this year, Carpenter has solid sink on his fastball. If he runs a 4-seamer in there, he goes around 93-95. If he opts to go for more sink, it's probably more 91-94. Those are rough ranges based on numbers I got. I mean, it's somewhat the same case as Archer. Archer can run a harder fastball in there in the mid-90's, but he'll opt for more sink and sit more low-mid 90's as well.
  11. fair enough. I can understand both you and Craig's concerns in that regards.
  12. Well, I was outvoted on the consensus top 10, and I definitely understand the concern. I want to say Carpenter finished 7th off the top. First, I tend to view the system as 1-3, 4-8 relatively close, 9-35 being vaguely close. That said, Carpenter is, IMO, safer than Vitters and Lee right now. He's going to end up around 150 innings for the year. He still has a mid-90's fastball to go with a good slider and a decent change. There's still a decent shot that he's a possible number 3 starter. I definitely get the concerns, but right now, I tend to think that Lee and Vitters have as many, if not more, concerns as Carpenter.
  13. Didn't realize how long that came out to be 1. Brett Jackson, B+. 2. Chris Archer, B+. 3. Kenneth McNutt, borderline B+. 4. Chris Carpenter, borderline B. 5. Hak-ju Lee, borderline B. 6. Josh Vitters, B-. 7. Jay Jackson, B-. 8. Junior Lake, borderline B-. 9. Reggie Golden 10. Ben Wells 11. Hayden Simpson. 12. Brandon Guyer 13. Jin-Yeong Kim. 14. Robinson Chirinos. 15. Alberto Cabrera. 16. Chris Rusin. 17. Brooks Raley. 18. Jeffry Antigua. 19. Ryan Flaherty. 20. Matt Cerda. 21. Nick Struck. 22. Jae-Hoon Ha. 23. Darwin Barney. 24. DJ LeMahieu. 25. Dae-Eun Rhee. 26. Welington Castillo. 27. Aaron Kurcz. 28. Rafael Dolis. 29. Brett Wallach. 30. Robinson Lopez. the guys that missed so far that has me pondering things - Austin Reed, Austin Kirk, Su-min Jung.
  14. I'm trying to tidy up my top 30. This is what I have right now (I may post this on Sickels to get some discussion going there, seems like a lot of people are posting individual team lists right now). 1. Brett Jackson, B+. Jackson had an excellent 2010. He posted a .316/.420/.517 line in A+ Daytona with a 13.8% BB rate and a 24% K rate. Moving up to AA Tennessee, he posted a solid .276/.366/.465 line, with a 11.2% BB rate and a 27.6% K rate. For the most part, at both spots, he hit at the top of the order, either leading off or 2nd. He combined to go 30/41 in SB attempts, while hitting 6 HR’s at each spot. All in all, it was an excellent year for the “Golden Retriever”. Despite a solid year, this was not the easiest decision, as I clearly recognize the concerns on the strikeouts, and I’m also cognizant that there are some voices that challenge Brett’s ability to stay in CF long term. That said, I feel like, at the very least, during his cost-controlled years, he should be a solid defensive centerfielder. Offensively, the scouting report is still the same as it’s been, for better or worse. The strikeouts are bothersome, but this is a guy who still handles the bat well enough that he is a fairly solid situational hitter, and Brett is still a guy that is willing and able to take pitches. I’m still hopeful enough that the strikeouts will decrease a tad with more experience. There’s enough power potential to suggest that he might become a possible 20-25 HR guy. Brett runs the bases well, and there are positive reports on his character. The “Golden Retriever” tired down the stretch this year, but he had a really long 2010, so I’m not concerned that much just yet. The indications are that the Cubs have high hopes for him, so it wouldn’t surprise anyone if Brett is in Chicago at some point in 2011. He might not project to be an elite star, but he looks to be a potentially solid centerfielder, offensively and defensively, and that gets the nod for me when there are, IMO, questions about his potential challengers for the top spot. While I haven’t done a top 100 list, I’ll be surprised if Brett isn’t a top 50 prospect. I imagine he’ll start at AA, with a chance to see AAA, and a slim chance to see the bigs. 2. Chris Archer, B+. Until 2010, for many Cubs fans, Archer was simply the 3rd piece in that DeRosa deal, the young, upside arm. Archer ended up having a magnificent 2010 that led to some consideration by BA for minor league player of the year. Starting off in A+ Daytona, he posted a 7-1 record in 15 games (14 starts), with a 2.86 ERA, 10.2 K Rate, 3.24 BB rate, and a 0.50 HR rate in 72.1 innings. He went on to AA Tennessee, going 8-2 in 70 innings (13 GS), with a 1.80 ERA. The peripherals were noticeably weaker, with the K rate at 8.61, the BB rate at 5.01. He was still good at limiting HR’s, posting a 0.26 HR rate. Stuff wise, Archer offers a low-mid 90’s fb that has good movement and sink to it. A lot of reports are posting about how he hit the upper 90’s (and I know a couple people said some stadium guns put him higher than the 97 that has been stated in publications). For the most part, he is, though, still a guy who sits in the low-mid 90’s, a touch better velo than before. He pairs that with a nasty slider (the Cubs have transitioned him to that, although he still throws a curve). The change showed better depth to it this year and is promising. The overall struggles in AA aren’t the biggest deal. It’s a big jump and he did well enough. The concerning aspect is the increase in the BB rate. I wasn’t able to attend as many games this year, but one response I constantly heard was whether or not his stuff was simply too good. Comparisons have been made to Carlos Marmol in some respects, which I find valid enough. Can he harness his stuff enough, while not diminishing it too much? His ceiling might be higher than Brett’s, but I feel much safer about Brett right now than I do about Chris, although working on a recent Cubs prospect list with very knowledgeable folks, there are those who disagree, and I can understand why. I have him ahead of McNutt, even though I might feel safer about McNutt as well, because Archer has more performance in the upper levels and because his stuff seems to be a notch better. His ceiling seems to be a possible 2, with his floor perhaps as a power pen arm. I think he’s a borderline top 50 prospect, but at the very least, a top 75 prospect. I think he’ll be at AAA, with a chance to see big league action. He needs to be added to the 40 man this winter. 3. Kenneth McNutt, borderline B+ For me, Kenneth “Trey” McNutt is the last of the top tier for the Cubs, but others have disagreed. The late round pick got 115 K from the Cubs, and so far, has been a great return. He went through 3 levels in 2010, starting at low A Peoria, going 6-0 in 59.2 innings (13 GS), with a 1.51 ERA, 10.56 K rate, 3.62 BB rate, and a 0 HR rate. Moving up to Daytona for 9 starts and 41 innings, he went 4-0, with a 2.63 rate, 10.76 K/9, 1.98 BB/9, and a 0.66 HR/9. He ended with 3 starts in AA in the regular season, going 0-1 in 15.2 innings, with a 5.74 ERA, 7.47 K/9, 2.30 BB/9, and a 1.15 HR/9. He had an excellent postseason with 2 solid starts, although the Smokies lost his game against Jacksonville. McNutt comes armed with a mid-90’s power fastball that is coupled with an excellent curveball. Both have been described as potential plus pitches. The changeup has received mixed reviews most of the year, but there is some promise to it. Overall, I buy that his control/command is solid, and in that respect, I think he is probably a slightly safer bet to reach the bigs as a starter than Archer. At the end of the day, I just want to see more from McNutt in the upper levels before jumping him up. I came close to putting him at 1 and 2, but I want to see how his stuff holds up over the long haul against upper level hitters. I think he has the potential to be a possible 2. I think he’s a possible top 50 prospect as well, but at the very least, I think he’s a top 75 prospect. I imagine he’ll be in AA to start, with a chance to see AAA, and an outside chance to see the bigs. For me, that’s the top tier of the Cubs system. I know there are knowledgeable folks that would disagree on a player, and I can respect that and understand their arguments. The 2nd tier is a bit trickier, and I think, as there was in our discussion, healthy disagreement on who they are and what order to place them. For the most part, most people acknowledge that there are around 4-5 guys to fit in here. 4. Chris Carpenter, borderline B. My nod at 4 goes to Christopher Carpenter. The Kent State product was once considered a possible first round pick, but fell to the Cubs in the 3rd round in the 2008 draft due to health reasons (TJ mainly, although IIRC, there were some knee issues). Carpenter went 8-6 in 23 starts (119.2 innings), posting a 3.08 ERA, 7.52 K/9, 3.61 BB/9, and a 0.38 HR/9 before getting 3 starts in AAA. He went back to AA for the postseason. Overall, not the flashiest line, but he finished strong. He had arm issues again (I forget what it is right now). Carpenter comes armed with a mid-90’s fastball, a good slider, and a decent change that got better in 2010. The potential is there to be a possible mid-rotation arm, although it is fair to question if the durability issues will push him to the pen. I am pleased that, at the end of 2010, Carpenter will have thrown around 150 innings (he’s in AFL right now), which is a healthy amount, and when combined with his upper level status and potential, I gave him the nod over the next set of guys. I imagine he’ll be in AAA to start, with a chance to see some big league time. 5. Hak-ju Lee, borderline B. The Korean product had a solid 2010, posting a .282/.354/.351 line in Low A Peoria. He had a really hot July in there, but held his own for the most part. He walked 8.9% of the time, while striking out 17.7% of the time. He went 32/39 in SB attempts. I’ve compared him, offensively, to Che-Hsuan Lin in the past, and I still think that’s a fair comparison. Lee’s speed is still good, although he’s a bit more filled out and I’m not sure he is as fast as before. Defensively, Lee has very good potential, showing good lateral movement and arm strength. Like many young shortstops, defensive consistency is an issue. Hak-ju can’t afford to lose that much speed as he matures, unless he adds more power than anyone anticipated. Overall, though, he’s a fine shortstop prospect. He’s just so far away and with a fringy bat and defensive consistency issues, I just prefer Carpenter a touch more. I imagine he’ll be at Daytona most of the year. 6. Josh Vitters, B-. I’ll be curious how people rank Vitters this winter. In a recent Cubs prospect discussion, there were some arguments for him to go higher, and he ended up slotting a spot higher. I can understand the case that people made (age, BABIP, showed some improvement, upside), but I feel like Lee and Carpenter are a bit safer while offering enough upside. The just turned 21 year old started out in A+ Daytona, posting a .291/.350/.445 line, walking 6.7% of the time, while striking out 20% of the time. He got on a hot streak and was promoted to AA, where he posted a .223/.292/.383 line, walking 5.7% of the time, and striking out 19.9 % of the time before he got hurt. The BABIP in AA was .247. Defensively, Vitters will never be an elite 3rd baseman, and may have to move down the line (he may move sooner, Cubs are rumored to be pondering using him at 1st more in 2011), but he’s passable enough that he could probably stick for a few years. It really comes down to the bat. Give Josh credit – he did make improvements. He walked a bit more, although that also led to more strikeouts. He’s never really dominated a level, but to be fair, the Cubs, after being careful with him early, have pushed him up every time he got on a hot streak. His bat upside is still excellent … but can he find that balance? Swinging away at pitcher’s pitches has limited his overall power production as well. No one doubts his power potential – but he hasn’t put up quality enough power numbers. I hope he is at AA all year. 7. Jay Jackson, B-. Jay Jackson was in AAA Iowa all year, where he went 11-8 in 32 games (25 starts), going 157.1 innings with a 4.63 ERA, 6.81 K/9, 2.75 BB/9, and a 1.14 HR/9. I don’t think any Cubs fans were really pleased with the shifting that Cashner and Jay Jackson had this year. It’s easy to forget how fast he’s risen up the system – this is his 2nd full season of pro ball, and he was considered a relatively raw collegiate arm. His arm action is still considered fine, and Jay can still pump low-mid 90’s on his fastball. The secondary pitches, though, got mixed reviews. Overall, the promise that his slider showed in the lower levels never really materialized. The slider is fairly average, the curveball and change need work. I feel safer about Jay Jackson reaching the bigs than I do about Vitters, but Vitters ceiling won out for the 6th spot for me. There were some positives to Jay’s season, and namely, the improved control. Can he improve his secondary offerings enough, while maintaining the newfound control? Best case right now seems to be a 3/4 starter or a late inning pen arm. I have wondered if he would be better off in the pen focusing on one breaking pitch and letting his fastball rip (some guns had him hitting upper 90’s last year in short spurts). I expect him to be at AAA to start, with a chance that he joins the Cubs pen later in the year. 8. Junior Lake, borderline B-. In our recent discussions, Junior Lake finished higher than this, and I can understand the arguments for it. Lake played in A+ Daytona all year, posting a .264/.333/.398 line, walking 7.8% of the time while striking out 25.1% of the time. There is an argument that Lake has the highest ceiling of any young Cub, including Starlin Castro. He’s more toolsy than Castro. The chances are high that Junior will have to move off shortstop, though, as he’s been inconsistent there. With Lee not really pushing him just yet, Lake will probably get another year at SS. He has good power potential, and could probably fit at 2nd or 3rd. The problem I have is that he really hot one hot streak this year to prop up his numbers (June/July) before cooling down a bit. I want to see more consistency in performance before pushing him up. The esteemed AzPhil of TCR has noted how the kid was a bit rough around the edges, so he has had to adjust and learn to accept teaching. The potential is through the roof, though. I expect him to spend most of the year at AA. For me, that’s the end of the Cubs 2nd tier. It’s a bit off a mess after this, and I have a lot of guys loosely bunched together that you could make the case to sort them in a number of different arrangements. I’m going to cut down on the writing. 9. Reggie Golden. This is a pure upside nod to the Cubs 2nd round pick. An argument could be made that his bat upside is the highest in the system, and he showed that potential in instructs. That said, he is very raw around the edges and needs a lot of work, offensively and defensively. I’m guessing XST, and then either AZL or Boise. 10. Ben Wells. I figure I’ll be called out for this ranking, but as of this writing, I feel comfortable doing this. The 7th round pick got his first taste of pro work at instructs. After so much time off, he was building up his arm strength, according to AzPhil of thecubreporter. His secondary pitches were solid in instructs (slider and splitter). This is purely an upside nod, but here’s a big hoss of a kid (240ish at instructs), who has a low 90’s fastball and may add to it, along with good secondary options and a decent feel for pitching. This is a big workhorse body. Purely upside right now, but his arm upside might be as good as anyone that is of prospect status (certainly, he’s not nearly as ready as McNutt or Archer, so don’t mistake my wording here). I’m comfortable enough with this, but fully acknowledge that this is a pure upside nod, like Golden. I’m guessing XST will be his 2011 starting point. 11. Hayden Simpson. The hotly debated first round pick missed pitching professionally due to mono. I was tempted to keep him ahead of Golden and Wells, but the weight loss bothered me enough and Golden’s offensive upside seems that good and I like Ben Wells arm upside more. There’s no doubt that at one point this year, he was throwing mid-90’s with 2 solid breaking pitches and a decent change. There’s also no doubt that he tired at one point, with his fastball dropping down a bit, and his secondary stuff not being as sharp. Was it a case of being overworked, or was it some other reason? How one feels about that will likely determine where they place him. I tend to think of him as being similar to Jay Jackson a bit. If he’s healthy, I could see the Cubs push him to Peoria, although starting at XST is possible. 12. Brandon Guyer. Guyer had a superb 2010, finishing with a ridiculous 2nd half. He won Cubs offensive player of the year (or positional, I forget what the award is right now), posting a .344/.398/.598 line in his 2nd turn in AA, walking 6.6% of the time and striking out 13.8% of the time. Like Colvin, the Cubs worked on improving Guyer’s arm strength, and he was a better defensive OF this year. He’s long had one of the better toolsets in the Cubs system. So … why isn’t he higher? It’s not as if the age is a significant issue. I mean, he’s not young, but he’s not old. At the end of the day, I’m still not sold that he’s a starting OF. The comparisons have been made to Eric Byrnes and Reed Johnson. He’s a hustle, go after it guy, but he doesn’t have great power potential, and it’s questionable if he could hit .300 in the bigs. He feels like a solid 4th OF type who could perhaps platoon/part-time start. I’m just not sure he’s a starting OF and that ended up pushing him down to 11 for me, although a case could be made for him at 9. I think he’ll be in AAA, but don’t be surprised if he sees the bigs soon. He needs to be protected this winter and likely will be. 13. Jin-Yeong Kim. The South Korean HS product is the latest Cubs big signing in Asia. The reports from instructs were positive. He reportedly has a fastball that tops out around 92/93, 2 decent-solid breaking balls, and a decent change. I’m thinking XST to start 2011, but it’s possible they bump him up to Peoria. 14. Robinson Chirinos. Chirinos was one of the hardest guys for me to place. The biggest issue is his age. If he was 2 years younger, you could make the case for him to be a top 10 in the system. The former MI is 26, though. He had a monstrous year at AA, but I know there are folks that question those offensive numbers (and there were splits issues – granted, he didn’t struggle against righties either). For the most part, most people acknowledge that he has shown offensive improvement. Defensively, the reports seem to suggest that he might be one of the better defensive catchers out there. He has a superb work ethic and is known as a good mentor (was known as Starlin’s mentor, and some rumors were that the Cubs kept him around with the idea that they might develop a good coaching candidate). Slowly, there are some folks that believe he might be a starting catcher, although projecting him as a backup backstop is more reasonable. I can understand moving him up or down. He needs to be protected this winter and likely will be. Likely in AAA, but could be in the bigs depending on the Cubs backup C situation. 15. Alberto Cabrera. I pondered sliding him ahead of Chirinos, but I’m not completely sold on Cabrera as a starter. That said, Alberto had a very solid campaign. The just-turned 22 year old started in A+. He got a bump to AA before struggling and getting demoted back to A+. He should start 2011 in AA. Cabrera comes armed with a mid-90’s fastball and a decent slider. Consistency on the slider is much needed. Changeup needs work. 16. Chris Rusin. I feel like putting him higher, but enough people have commented on his relative lack of upside that I slid him down a bit as a result. The polished 4th rounder showed that the Cubs got what they signed up for when they drafted him. After coming back from the DL, he was strong at A+ with a 8.31 K rate and a 1.48 BB rate, with a 0.58 HR/9. He went on to be solid at AA, posting a 7.11 BB/9, 1.89 K/9 in limited work. He’ll likely start 2011 in AA. He is what he is – a strike throwing lefty with a high 80’s fastball, decent slider, decent change. 17. Brooks Raley. Cubs fans joked about good Raley and bad Raley. He was very off and on early in the year. He finished strong, though, with a good run from July-September. He had, overall, a 6.4 K/9 and a 2.84 BB/9. I like Raley more than Rusin, as I can dream about the athletic Raley adding/improving his stuff as he gets more accustomed to pitching full-time. Right now, though, Raley’s stuff is, as expected, average like Rusin’s, featuring a fastball that tops out in the low 90’s, with decent secondary pitches. It’s not enough for me to jump him over Rusin’s polish just yet. I expect him to start 2011 in AA. 18. Jeffry Antigua. Antigua had himself a solid year in Peoria. He comes armed with a high 80’s fastball that occasionally touhes low 90, and he has a solid change and a decent slider. With that arsenal, he posted a 8.52 K rate and a 3.19 BB rate in Peoria. He might not have the ceiling some dreamed for once, but he looks like a potential solid lefty starting prospect who should be in A+ next year. 19. Ryan Flaherty. The former supplemental first round pick had an interesting year. After a strong season at Peoria in 2009, he was given a chance to start in Tennessee. While he posted solid discipline numbers, his bat struggled in the 84 AB’s he had there (BABIP .200). He was sent down to A+, where he had a relatively solid year, posting a .286/.348/.445 line. Defensively, in another system, he might’ve had a chance to make it up as a shortstop, but he’s played more 2nd/3rd, and in AFL, he picked up an OF glove. He’s still an intriguing guy with some pop, good athleticism, a good approach at the plate. The comparisons to Mark DeRosa/Jeff Baker types of players may hold true. Look for him to start 2011 in AA, but likely in a utility type role, getting time at 2nd/3rd, perhaps corner OF, and perhaps an occasional look at short when someone needs a breather (probably Lake). 20. Matt Cerda. The Cubs finally ditched the catching experiment with Cerda, and he went on to have a solid season in Peoria. He posted a .271/.365/.377 line in Peoria, striking out 15.1% of the time while walking 12.8% of the time. He started off at 3rd base, as Logan Watkins was considered the regular 2nd baseman entering the year. As the season progressed, Cerda got more 2nd base time. The reports were positive on his ability to play 2nd and 3rd. While he does have some pop in his bat, his chances of making it up at 2nd is probably higher. I look for him to be playing 2nd and 3rd in A+ Daytona next year. I like him better than Flaherty, in all honesty, but I want to see that power develop and performance at upper levels before I jump Cerda up more. 21. Nick Struck. I’m probably higher on Struck than many others . The athletic overslot kid (125 K, former shortstop in HS, IIRC) had a solid 2010. He showed, as expected, a low 90’s fastball that topped at 93 with good secondary pitches. There are some expectations that he may add velo as he physically matures. He had a decent run at Peoria and then got bumped to Daytona. I like his upside. He’ll likely start in A+ to start 2011. 22. Jae-Hoon Ha. A lot of Cubs fans are far higher on Ha than I am. The Korean was tried at catcher, but they moved him off. Last year, a wrist injury sapped his power in Boise. Ha offers excellent tools, with power potential, athleticism, and a good strong arm. Moving up to Boise this year, he put those tools to good use, posting a .317/.334/.468 line. The part that bothers me is the 15.4% K rate and the 3.2% BB Rate. I guess seeing so many of those guys come through the system has me unnecessarily wary of Ha at the moment. There is a reasonable case to put him in the top 15. I’m also not completely sold on the power ceiling some suggest. 23. Darwin Barney. There’s a part of me that wants to solid the Oregon State product up a few notches. While I think projectprospect’s ranking of him was too high, I do think Darwin is a tad underrated. Here’s a guy who has better athleticism than acknowledged, has good range and plays a solid short. He’s not an elite bat, and a bit aggressive at the plate considering his limited offense. That said, he sees breaking balls well enough that he shouldn’t be a complete zero offensively. He’s more suited for a utility infielder role, but it isn’t inconceivable to see him as a starter for a 2nd tier squad. 24. DJ LeMahieu. People have been waiting for DJ to add power for a long time. At this point, it’s just not likely to happen barring a surprise. He posted a .314/.346/.386 line in A+ Daytona before getting the bump to Tennessee. He got some time at short, but also spent plenty of time at 2nd and 3rd. There are some who think the Cubs believe he is best suited, defensively, at 3rd, but I don’t see any way that bat plays for 3rd base. His glovework is decent-solid overall, and like Flaherty, he probably could’ve made it up as a shortstop, at least up to AA, in another system. I don’t like the fact that he only walks 4.8% of the time. To me, he feels like a utility infielder type at best. He should be in AA for 2011, likely splitting time between 2nd/SS/3rd. 25. Dae-Eun Rhee. The highly touted Rhee came onto the scene in 2008 in Peoria, before getting TJ. He came back to fullseason duty this year at Daytona … and was disappointing. That said, for his first year back, I’m willing to grant a mulligan. Furthermore, he wasn’t throwing his devastating splitter. If he can regain that pitch and throw it with consistency, he could make a quick move back up the prospect lists for me. If not, he’ll drop like a rock. My other concern with Rhee is durability. Leave aside the TJ for a moment – he’s not a big guy and he might not be able to handle the workload to stay as a starter. 26. Welington Castillo. Upper level catcher has improved defensively, although still needs more work. Offensively, has some pop, but doesn’t make enough contact. Likely a backup backstop at best. 27. Aaron Kurcz. Kurcz is likely a fast-track pen arm with a mid-90’s fastball and a good, hard slider. There’s a chance that the Cubs may give him a spin as a starter, but his future is likely in the pen. While he hasn’t reached AA like Dolis, I gave him the nod over Dolis because reports on Kurcz’s secondary stuff is better. 28. Rafael Dolis. Dolis had a great Instruct start last fall, showing his upper 90’s fastball and a solid slider and a decet change. Unfortunately, that slider was very inconsistent in 2010. His future is likely in the pen, but the Cubs may keep him in the AA rotation to start 2011 in an effort to get him more work on his secondary pitches. While he doesn’t strike out nearly enough for a guy with that type of fastball, he does a good job keeping the ball in the park that, if he develops more consistency on the slider, it’s possible to see him as a good late-inning arm. 29. Brett Wallach. I gave Wallach the nod over Lopez on polish right now, although Lopez has the higher ceiling. I’m not real sold that Wallach will add the velocity some have suggested he could, but it is a possibility, and he has more polished secondary pitches at the moment. 30. Robinson Lopez. I’m not nearly as high on Lopez as others are. I just don’t see it. Now, I slotted him in the top 30 because he does offer great upside, but I’m not sure what he offers that, say, makes him better than Rafael Dolis? His fastball is probably better, but is it enough to overcome Dolis being somewhat productive in the upper levels? I don’t see the case for it, but on upside, he deserves to be here.
  15. out of curiosity, what is the argument for Vitters over Brett right now? Brett's solid in CF, showed good enough power at both levels (ISOP .202 in A+, .189 in AA). The K's are bothersome, but he walks enough to compensate, and the reports still suggest that he handles the bat very well. I'd argue that Brett is likely to show more power as he matures, and that more experience may decrease that K rate a bit.
  16. I'm not sure he was overrated before, and I'm not sure he's underrated now. The reports on Jay prior to this year indicated low 90's fastball that could touch mid-90's, solid slider, decent curve, decent change, decent control. I don't think anyone claimed Jay was a top 50ish type prospect last year. An upper level pitcher with that type of arsenal can make a solid case for Top 100, which many lists had him as. Keep in mind that his 2009 was a tale of streaks - a hot start in AA, the collapse, the demotion, and then dominated A+ ball. Add in that he was viewed as somewhat raw, and that was a very promising package. The problem is ... the reports on him this year simply weren't that good. Fastball was still there, but it seems like his slider really struggled in AAA at times, and I don't recall much positive news on the curve and change. More than anything, that is what bothered me the most. That said, I think most people have Jay as a B-/2-star-ish type prospect, which I think is fair. You could make a case for a B, I guess, so to that extent, I can see an argument for underrated, but the stuff sounded a bit too pedestrian. Now, the improved control does bode well for him, but can he find a balance with control/stuff? There's a part of me, much as I am a big fan of Jay, that wonders if Jay is simply better off in the pen, where he can focus on one breaking pitch, and let his fastball rip (in short spurts in 2009, his fastball was able to get up to the mid-upper 90's range - if you believe the guns at the stadiums).
  17. 1. I gotta still stick with Brett Jackson as the top prospect. There's simply too many concerns (relatively speaking) on Archer for me, and I want to see how McNutt does in AA as batters get to see him more. I know there's a sprinkling of voices out there expressing mild concern with Brett's defense in CF, but he did have a long year, and overall, I don't think I'm too concerned about his CF defense through his cost-controlled years. He might not have the ceiling of Archer and McNutt (relative to their positions - even then, that is debatable as well), but as a possible starting caliber CF in the bigs, his value, IMO, is higher. 2/3. I've only done a quick run-through on my list. I do wonder if A) Chris Carpenter is somewhat under ... well, maybe not underrated, but maybe underhyped. It's quite possible that a guy like Kenny McNutt becomes Chris Carpenter-ish. I think he'll be better than Carpenter, but there might be some SNTS that somewhat gets Carpenter lost in the discussion. B) With the clumping of guys after our top 8 (I've got about 15 guys after our top 8 that I could order a number of ways and feel somewhat comfortable with), underrated and overrated might come down to individual preferences. C) Guys like Jeffry Antigua and Su-min Jung are sort of lost in the discussion at times. I'm not ready to say underrated, just that they might be a little under-hyped. While Antigua might not have the ceiling that some had hoped for, he's still a solid lefty rotation prospect who had a solid A ball campaign. Jung certainly didn't do anything to deflate his value. D) Robinson Lopez will get overhyped and maybe overrated, based off his fastball. To that extent E) I mildly wonder if Alberto Cabrera gets underrated. He's a very intriguing arm who had a solid season at A+. Struggling in AA shouldn't be that big a deal. I do wonder if he's more a pen type, but he had a solid year and is promising. F) I'm not sure this is an underrated thing, but one of my favorite sleepers in the system is sitll Frank Batista. I don't expect him to garner much Top 30-ish attention, though (heck, came in 50 in my first run-through). G) Nick Struck is underrated. Low 90's, solid secondary offerings, some potential for more, and will be in A+ ball. That's a solid package and you could make an argument for a C+-ish, 2-star-ish grade for him.
  18. A bit surprised Blake Parker was moved off the 40 man today. Not stunned, as he was definitely on the bubble, but I had thought that the Cubs would give him a bit more rope since he held enough intrigue last year.
  19. I'm hoping Darvill can stay at short. That said, a part of me wonders what bulking up does to his range of motion, which admittedly is only average-solid right now. Harman topping out in the high 80's isn't surprising, but I had hoped for a touch more. A couple people seemed to put him as "touching" the low 90's, although admittedly, that's a small difference. I still expect him to move fast, like Rusin.
  20. archer being a guy who used to go to the curve more may explain the arm slot. His curve was considered a good one out of HS and in the Indians organization. Guess the Cubs shifted him to the slider, as they tend to do with a lot of our guys.
  21. Doesn't make much sense to reverse course on Chirinos considering his age, along with the fact that, by most accounts, he's an excellent defensive catcher. That value would top whatever value he had as a middle infielder ... unless his bat really was that good. More and more people seem to be viewing him as a possible starter in the bigs as a catcher. Any intriguing chat tidbits?
  22. Thomas was a corner IF/P prospect. If I recall correctly, Thomas actually had some desire to pitch. He sounds like a possible ... Dolis-lite?
  23. Rusin's on the border for me. I like him a lot, and a good, end of the rotation lefty has value. That said, his ceiling is quite limited. Unless there's been some substantial change in the Guyer scouting report, it's just hard for me to rank a guy seems like a 4th OF as a Top 10 prospect, even when accounting for his monstrous 2nd half.
  24. You could be right about Cabrera's velo, I'm honestly not sure. It raises a fair question though: One of which there isn't a right or wrong answer to actually. How do you rate these types? Do you rate someone higher BECAUSE he's younger? Or do you rate the guy who is closer to the bigs higher, even if he's older or possibly(not talking Cabrera vs Lopez here) even if he's not quite as talented ? Personally, I think I tend to rank guys in the lower levels higher than most do, just based on future potential, that seems to lose some luster the higher they go, in alot of cases anyway. I don't have any specific guideline through which I make my decisions, but I'm sure others might. For me, it's a case by case situation. In this case, the reports on Lopez's fastball are good, but the reports out of SAL this year on his secondary stuff were pretty bad. On the other hand, there were decent reports on the secondary stuff of both Dolis and Cabrera at times, so when you add in that both are pitching at a higher level and age-appropriate, it's hard for me to go with Lopez ahead of either. I'll acknowledge that there may be a case for Lopez to have the most potential of the three - as good as Dolis and Cabrera's fastballs can be, the reports on Lopez's seems to suggest a bit higher potential on the fb, in particular, with respect to movement, but there's a lot of work to be done. I'm not sure if he'd be a C+ or a C prospect ... I had Cabrera as a C a few years back when he reached Low A, though.
  25. I think highest upside has to be split into two categories, one for pitchers and one for hitters, because it's awful hard to compare the two. Pitcher - Chris Archer. It's close between Archer and McNutt, but Archer's better stuff wins out. He has better movement on the fastball, the breakinig ball is sharper, and the changeup is further along. Sure, there's issues with command/control that, as of now, McNutt doesn't exhibit, but raw potential, Archer is higher. Positional Player - Junior Lake. The potential for a power hitting shortstop ... well, I think that's awfully tempting potential. Sure, Vitters has a nice swing, and sure, BJax could be a solid everyday OF, but on pure potential, I'd go with someone like Lake ... or Reggie Golden.
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