Yea Penny on the Knicks was definitely afterthought-ish. I think even the dumbest if Knicks fans saw him as just an ancillary piece as he was pretty old then. Marbury and Francis, and now arguably Rose were big moves meant to reinvigorate the team. Yeah, the idea of Penny playing basketball in 2004, much less any Knicks fan actually getting excited over him at that point, is just depressing.