Easily. He never had me sold as a number 2 starter, but as a number 4 starter, I cant think of a better one since Steve Avery in the Braves glory days. At least I think Avery was the number 4. Maybe it was Smoltz, in which case he was a damn good #4 too. Clement/Z beg to differ... Do you mean one or the other, or both? Because Z has never been the 4th best starter in a rotation.