As a long time lurker, I would like to thank all of you that have contributed to this thread. From little league thru high school I was taught value was judged by batting average, home runs, and pitchers that win. Didn't matter if the ERA was above 6 as long as you get the wins. I am trying to catch up with the stat heads at least to understand the different ways to measure value. This thread has alot of information, and most of it is explained and debated well. Thanks again.