You can thank Lovie for that. Orton was known in college and draft time to have a very strong arm. Then he played for Lovie who refused to allow him to throw passes over 15 yards and he gets the reputation for having a weak arm. I saw enough intermediate and downfield passes from Orton while he was in Chicago to know he's not very good at it. In fact, he sucks at it. What the f are you talking about? Did you see the play we are talking about? He said he was surprised Orton could throw it 65 yards. We are not talking about whether he can throw the deep ball well just whether or not he has a strong arm. Yeah, I saw the hail mary. I was just saying that while Orton may have a strong arm, he still sucks at throwing the ball downfield.