davell

Yeah, we're in wait and see mode. No doubt. We're going to get slaughtered by the national media(already are), which is just fodder until something is actually known. Some QB's aren't going to fit certain systems perfectly. Trubisky evidently fits this one the best. Unfortunately, this system may very well wave bye bye soon enough, if Pace and Fox get punted into the stratosphere. I still have NO IDEA if they're even on the same page or not, depending on who you listen to.

Serious question for those that WANTED a QB at 3..... Why were you so intent on doing it THIS year? We already signed Glennon. The success rates of QB's in the 1st is certainly not great. The fact that in this case, it was going to require taking a guy higher than where he's at on most boards. There's going to be a coaching change he's going to have to go thru soon. You're unsettled at the receiver spots, or on the outside of your O-Line. The team looks very bad on paper and its likely you'd be in or near the same position next year as you are now. Next years class looks better, by far. If its not, you've still got Glennon and a guy like Kizer, who you could have gotten in the 2nd. Just seems like we really rushed this. We're not set up to take this kind of risk, in my mind. The whole "if not now, then when?" narrative is literally answered with "how about any other time?" As a Bears fan, there's obviously an excited part of me. Hopes that Trubisky is awesome. But, looking at this roster and what appears to be ahead of us in the next year or 2, I'm really wondering if this just sets us back even further. I wasn't ever on board with a QB at 3. But, the rest of the draft and FA too, has taken me from kind of liking Pace, to hoping he's gone soon.

i'm admittedly making assumptions about what you are terming to be "successful" here, but if you think that it's 50/50, i feel like you should be ecstatic with the pick. I don't mean franchise guy, I'm just talking "hey, he actually winds up starting for a few years" level of success. Franchise QB is a weird term anyway. And no, that shouldn't mean you should be ecstatic. Next year is going to be so horsefeathering weird. Preseason will be must-see. You're probably not getting any Trubisky in the first half of the year. Maybe none at all, if Glennon looks competent and the team scratches out 6-8 wins. I can't wait for next years QB class to wind up phenomenal. 4-5 guys better than anyone this draft. Its actually conceivable. But, that still affects us. If we wind up with a top 3-5 pick again next year(definitely possible), we could conceivably be put in a spot where Pace has to choose between Trubisky or one of that group. Granted, it'd be hard for Trubisky to do anything that affects his own status next year and it'd be a bad look for Pace to abandon him. At any rate, maybe you can suck and actually get a true haul with a trade down next year. I don't see playoffs. I think bottom 5 talent in the league is where this team is currently. If they play to that level again, I'll be hopeful they get a haul out of a trade down next year. Maybe they can make up some lost ground.

That was one of my points all along. We're just not in a great position to take a QB. We'll be keeping Fox and Co in 2018 now too, since the entire regime now gets a hall pass of some sort in 2017. Continuity is a great thing, we won't have that for Trubisky. Then, you've got to shoehorn your next head coach into Trubisky, when he'd prefer finding his own guy, unless Trubisky has shown enough by then, that's he's the goods..... And how will he? He's got no receivers and the line isn't set at all on the exterior. Moving up and losing picks to get Trubisky didn't bother me. We could recoup picks at that point. Just one trade down to 45 and then reaching on a position that was far from our biggest need, that bothered me..... Free Agency sucked. Its taking a blanket approach. Spreading cash around. Its set up for pure mediocrity at best. No impact at all. Spent tons of money on depth. Which tells me they actually LIKE what's on the roster. And that's scary. Its a bottom 5 roster. They think health is going to propel them. To what? 6 wins? Pace says he's building thru the draft.....In a full fledged rebuild(which this is), using 5 picks in the draft is horsefeathering stupid. That's what teams with GOOD rosters do, in taking a luxury pick. I didn't want Trubisky. I think its 50/50 that he's successful. I don't think this team was in position to take that chance at this point. I'm pulling for him though. But, I'm very worried this just set us back further.

You know what's less likely than convincing good players to come to Chicago and play with Jimmy? Becoming championship contenders by trading away one of the best players in the league in his prime for draft picks and being absolutely horrible for years. But everybody wants to do that like it's some magic pill. Working horsefeathering great in Minnesota and Philadelphia, tho! Hell, New Orleans drafted Anthony Davis, he has turned into a superstar, and they've tasted the playoffs once. Yet, you've got Jimmy for 2 years, no talent around him, and no real money to spend. So, you're doing what in 2 years when you lose Jimmy and you're a 15 win team anyway?

If he goes anywhere, its to Boston.

Because GarPax are the best recruiters in basketball and everyone wants to play with Wade, in serious decline.

Cease is at 4 1 1 1 4 9 right now. May be done.

For those not on Twitter......

https://twitter.com/AaronLemingNFL/status/858471099138547712

Currently only have room for 4 more. Some cuts could be coming soon.

UDFA time......Some nice players left too. WR- KD Cannon, Ish Zamora, Damorea Stringfellow, Travis Dural, Travis Rudolph OL- Eric Magnuson, Chad Wheeler, Avery Gennessy, Dan Skipper, Damien Mama, Javarious Leamon, Storm Norton TE- Cole Hikutini QB- Seth Russell, Cooper Rush, Alex Torgersen, Jarrod Evans DL- Jarron Jones, Charles Walker Edge- Joe Mathis, Carroll Phillips, Garrett Sickles LB- Paul Magloire, Hardy Nickerson CB- Ezra Robinson, Jeremy Cutrer, Channing Stribling, Sojourn Shelton S- Lorenzo Jerome, Jadar Johnson, Fish Smithson

Do you think that's realistic? Get Jimmy and Wade on the phone. Just don't see it. What a mess this shitstack of a team is. Jimmy supposedly promised he's staying.....Wade seems like he'll opt in(he's not coming close to getting the money elsewhere) and he's said he won't recruit unless he thinks they can win. They'll win 35-45 next year too, then move Jimmy for a top 10ish pick and a young guy with some semblance of upside.

Do you think that's realistic?

I understand the point. Personally, unless I'm hoarding extra picks to do just this type of maneuver, then I'm not allowing myself that luxury. Obviously, he likes Jackson. I do too. Maybe it works out. IMO though, if you're taking Trubisky and not getting anything out of a 2nd overall pick in Year 1......You better be getting plenty of production out of your other picks. Shaheen? May or may not be a factor as a rookie. Leaving you with 3 3rd Day guys. I'd prefer to have had more lotto tickets than that today. Very solid chance this draft gives us less production in year 1, than most teams.....

why are people overvaluing late round picks so much? oh jeez we missed out on some guy! hey look, a bunch of guys over here that didn't get drafted. Its not that the pick has any exorbitant value. But, it just seems wasteful, now that we're down to 5 picks and aren't getting much out of our 1st.....Any chance to add a potential contributor should be valued. Didn't see the reason to move up considering the safeties left.

Evidently, Desmond King seems to be falling, due to wanting to play CB and not S.

I like Jackson, but give up a 6th to move up 5 spots? Odd.

Bears just traded into pick 112.

I didn't like the pick. Don't think Trubisky is going to be good. But, giving up a 3rd, a 4th, and a future 3rd? That's a small price to pay to get the assurance you got YOUR guy. Those picks can(and mostly were) recouped. SF's guy was Thomas. You could've let SF pick at #2 and still picked Trubisky. Who else was going to trade up to #2 for him? If the Browns wanted him, they would've taken him at #1. The Jets didn't even take a QB. HOU and KC would have had to give up a ton more than the Bears did to move up that many spots. If SF is saying "we have people on the line who want to move up to our spot" you say, "cool, if another team trades up for Trubisky, we're taking your guy (Thomas) at #3" and call their bluff Rappaport said someone was trying to get to 2. No idea if it was for Trubisky or not. Again, its security. Of course I'd rather have had those picks. But, if you truly love Trubisky, you don't take the chance. If Pace is right on Trubisky, those picks don't matter at all. If he's wrong on Trubisky, he gets fired. And its because of Trubisky, not the picks.

I didn't like the pick. Don't think Trubisky is going to be good. But, giving up a 3rd, a 4th, and a future 3rd? That's a small price to pay to get the assurance you got YOUR guy. Those picks can(and mostly were) recouped.

That's an excellent list. I really wish we had taken Wilson at 45. Plenty of TE's left at this point. A few other guys I kind of like..... OT Adam Bisnowaty WR Chad Hanson WR Josh Malone WR Isaiah Ford Edge Carroll Phillips Edge Joe Mathis CB Corn Elder CB Damontae Kazee S Lorenzo Jerome S Tedric Thompson Jerome is a guy I'd really like to take a chance on, if King doesn't make it to 117.

I think I'd cave in here and give up 117 and 119 for any pick in this 98-102 range to grab Desmond King.

If the Bears wanted a TE, I would have gone with Butt, torn ACL and all. Not at that spot. But, I wouldn't have any TE there, figuring Butt, Leggett, Smith, Roberts, Sprinkle.....One of them is definitely there in the 4th, maybe even the 5th.

Kizer just went 52..... It'll be fun to look back and see if a Thomas/Kizer pairing(or Adams, etc) plus a guy that's still on the board at 67, winds up better than Trubisky/Shaheen.....