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We could have picked his affordable option up, if we had any interest in him. We like Monty more evidently. Not to mention, Hammel is probably a top 3 option currently, for starting pitching on the FA market. He'll easily get a 2 year deal, maybe even 3.

AZ Phil mentioned he thought the MB rotation to start the year would be Cease/De La Cruz/Paulino/Kellogg/Steele. If so, it's conceivable he'd be in Tennessee at some point in 2017....... No idea if he's heard that or just total speculation. His other predicted rotations are Zastryzny/Beeler/Brooks/Buchanan/Pries/Williams/Frankoff at Iowa(a group of 5 from that). At Tennessee, Underwood/Clifton/Stinnett/Tseng and one of Morrison/Martinez/Leal/Null. SB looks like Hatch/Clark/Moreno/Rondon/Hudson...... I think its fairly likely, although I can see Cease in SB(unless he skips for weather reasons) and Hatch in MB. Tyson Miller could make SB over Hudson possibly. Or with him and Clark just piggybacks.

I figure he gets dealt in a major deal that nets them a front line guy, if he gets dealt at all. I just don't see why they'd deal a guy with that type of upside, for anything that doesn't help them immediately. I'd love to get him. Just don't see why they'd move him to us. 3 way with Tampa works though, I suppose. Where we wind up with Paulino and Tampa gets Happ out of it somehow.

As Theo and Jed have both brought up, we're looking for depth in the rotation. What's different though is we're looking for guys with options, that we can start out at Iowa, if we need to. Sure, its POSSIBLE we still make a trade(or sign Tyson Ross) that pushes Monty out of the rotation before the season starts. But this thread is meant to be for the smaller moves. Like the Atlanta/Texas deal a few days ago involving Tyrell Jenkins or the Atlanta/Seattle deal with Alex Jackson......This type of move isn't going to be the one we cash in Eloy on. Probably not Happ either. Currently, Rob Z is our 6th SP. Aaron Brooks is our 7th. I'll be surprised if Brooks is Brooks is even 10th by the time April rolls around. So, let's take a look at some options..... Milwaukee- Taylor Jungmann, Jimmy Nelson I'll guess he's a guy they're ready to throw the towel in on. Former 1st rounder, injury issues.....Slight chance at getting DFA'd? Added Nelson, since he's not currently projected for their rotation. Price could be higher than normal though. St Louis- John Gant, Chris Ellis No trade coming, but DFA possibilities exist, I suppose. Cincy- L-Cody Reed, Tim Adleman, Rookie Davis This guy has sucked out loud in the majors. Has upside though and maybe Cincy is disenchanted. Pittsburgh-Drew Hutchison, Trevor Williams, Lisalverto Bonilla He fits perfectly as a 6th/7th SP. Still a slight chance at more. Atlanta- Aaron Blair, Matt Wisler, Lucas Sims Candelario makes a ton of sense to be involved in a move here. Zagunis does too. Mets- Seth Lugo, Robert Gsellman, Rafael Montero, Gabriel Ynoa,L- Sean Gilmartin God bless them, they'll need their depth. But I could see a guy like Montero or Gilmartin getting DFA'd possibly. Lugo maybe being available for something light. Washington-Austin Voth, Jaron Long, Kyle McGowin, Taylor Hill They just dealt away their depth, so getting this guy or AJ Cole seems highly unlikely to me. Marlins-L-Justin Nicolino Big meh. But he's depth and that's what the thread is about, I guess. Philadelphia- Jake Thompson, Zach Eflin, L-Adam Morgan, Alec Asher, Nick Pivetta Thompson is probably one of my favorites, for a role like this. Eflin wouldn't be bad either honestly. Arizona- Braden Shipley, Zack Godley, L-Anthony Banda, Matt Koch No, I'm not listing Bradley or Walker. They'd want a ton for them. Shipley would be less, we're very familiar with Godley, and Banda is intriguing, if he could be pried away. Dodgers- Ross Stripling, Brock Stewart, Chase De Jong De Leon is on the move, but it certainly won't be to us, for prospects. Stripling is decent in a 7th SP way, Stewart has 3-4 ability. No idea on fits though. Giants- Clayton Blackburn, Chris Stratton Both of these guys have lost value, maybe Stratton even fits a straight change of scenery guy now. Padres- L-Robbie Erlin, Dinelson Lamet, Michael Kelly Coming off TJS, bit of upside left. Not a horrible guy to try and stash. This team is in complete "throw crap and see what sticks mode". May be a good team to target. Rockies-Eddie Butler, L-Kyle Freeland,L- Harrison Musgrave, L Evan Grills No, Hoffman isn't realistic. They may move him, but it'd be for a big league SP. Butler interests me, not sure if he's got options left though.(he has one) Marquez would be sweet, but I don't see why they'd move him either. Red Sox-L- Henry Owens,L- Brian Johnson, L-Roenis Elias Our FO knows these guys. If we see upside in Owens still, I could see us trying to grab him. Yankees- chad Green, Brian Mitchell, L- Dietrich Enns, L- Jordan Montgomery, L Daniel Camarena, Ronald Herrera Exactly 6th, 7th starter types. Not bad fits for us at all. Enns and Montgomery are interesting. Orioles- Mike Wright, L Chris Lee, L Jayson Aquino, Joe Gunkel Not great. Depth rarely is though. Rays-Taylor Guerrieri, Chih Wei Hu, Jacob Faria, Jaime Schultz, Matt Andriese, Chase Whitley They're obviously a great trade partner for higher end pitching. Pretty good on the depth types too though. Andriese has an option left and is a perfect 6th starter. Blue Jays-none White Sox-Chris Beck This is exactly the type of trade we CAN make with them. The completely irrelevant one. Detroit- L-Matt Boyd, Myles Jaye, William Cuevas, Warwick Saupold, Buck Farmer Not a bad guy to target. Norris is firmly in their rotation, or he'd be great here. Royals- L-Brian Flynn, Miguel Almonte, Kyle Zimmer, Alec Mills, Jake Junis, L Eric Skoglund I really like trying to grab Flynn. He'd be one of my top targets. Indians- Mike Clevinger, Adam Plutko, Cody Anderson, L Shawn Morimundo, Rob Kaminsky Not sure what we have that makes sense for them, but I'd love Clevinger. Plutko and Anderson are solid depth too. Good team to find a deal with. Twins-Kohl Stewart, L Tyler Jay, Kyle Gibson I think Gibson is out of options or he'd be perfect. (Wow, couldnt have been more wrong. Gibson has 3 options lol)Berrios makes zero sense on their end. On the other hand, Stewart has disappointed since drafted. Jay may or may not be viewed as a starter. Those 2 seem like guys a new FO could cut bait with. Angels- Alex Meyer, L Nate Smith, Troy Scribner Probably a reliever. Heaney would be great, but no reason for them to move him. A's- Daniel Mengden, Jesse Hahn, L Dillon Overton, Raul Alcantara, Frankie Montas, Kendall Graveman They set up really well with us on a small trade that nets us two of this group. Montas? Doubt they'd move him until they know what they've got with him. Graveman intrigues the hell out of me. Mariners- Nate Karns, Cody Martin, Zack Lee, Sam Gaviglio He's a perfect 6th SP. No idea why they'd move him though. Astros- Brad Peacock, Brady Rodgers, Joe Musgrove Supposedly Fiers and McHugh are available. I'll figure we don't have the ML pitching they need in return. Musgrove would be very cool, by the way. Rangers- Chi Chi Gonzalez Had cache at one point. So again, these are 6th-10th starter depth options. Not exciting at all. But it interests me because we'll likely use a few guys this year and we'll be acquiring some guys soon. I got these guys scouring Fangraphs depth charts. I know if I looked at prospect lists, there's plenty more to look at that are in AAA, that didn't make the FG lists. I'll probably do that, over the next week or so and add to these lists. Edit- Have added more names by looking thru roster resource. Mostly just added guys that are in AAA and not elite prospects. To me, here are the 10 teams I think are our best options to pull from. 1. Atlanta Blair and Wisler fit us for sure. Wisler being the better option of the two. Lucas Sims is a guy that still has upside and that they may have soured on. They have a need for a 3B too, making for an ideal fit. A guy like Zagunis could interest them too. Happ certainly would. 2. Cleveland Not sure they have a true reason to deal Clevinger, based on their rotations health. Plutko and Anderson aren't special though and maybe a Szczur type could net a guy or two like that. 3. Oakland Mengden is needed for his stache'. Decent enough swing guy too. Hahn is injury prone, but talented. Overton has struggled mightily in the majors. Alcantara is known by our FO. None of this group should be overly expensive and Beane probably likes Zagunis, Caratini, Candelario, or Szczur. Graveman is very interesting, but is he a guy you can send to AAA and still put Montgomery out there every 5th day? 4. Tampa Andriese is a perfect fit here. Guerrieri is a guy with talent, but hasn't put it together yet. Faria has pitched well enough at times to be a true swing guy himself. Schultz is interesting as a throw in. Hu has value and I'd like him. The issue is how hard Tampa is to deal with. They probably want Happ for a guy like Andriese. I may be pursuaded to be in favor of sending Candelario to them for him though. If they insist on Happ, Odorizzi would need to be the lowest end SP we accept. Obviously, we'd need to add more. 5. KC I love their depth and ability for one stop shopping. I like Flynn, he's a very nice option. If Zimmer can be had, he's a nice flyer to take. Skoglund and Junis have some upside and are very nice additions, if not true 6th SP's for 2017. Mills is a decent throw in. Based on where they're at, they may be the ideal team to trade with. Since they're soon to be sellers. Candelario, Zagunis, guys like De La Cruz could really intrigue them. 6. Yankees Enns and Montgomery are generic, but fit the term of depth. Green and Mitchell are too, but also fit what we're after. Not a sexy team to deal with, but none of these guys should cost much either, so they fit out of sheer numbers. 7. Mets Gsellman has shoulder issues, which may make it harder on them to deal Lugo. Montero is a nice reclamation project and shouldn't be expensive. They have a couple of other depth options. The issue though, is their ML Pitchers heads keep falling off.(arms too) They may not be as good of an option as I originally thought. They could use Candelario though. 8.Phillies I think Thompson may be as good of an individual option as Wisler. Which tells me they each may be worth a decent amount more than Candelario. Morgan is generic depth. Asher isn't much more than that. I think Eflin has upside though. Solid team to try and make a deal with. They'd love Happ. I'm not sure, but I may be apt to pull the trigger on Happ for Thompson. 9. Arizona Banda is very interesting. No reason they should deal him. We're familiar with Godley. He's not horrible depth. Shipley would be nice, it looks like he's a pen guy for them moving forward. This doesn't even account for Archie Bradley, who they've kind of said they're not interested in moving soon, at least.(or any of their ML starters) 10. Twins TT has brought up Gibson before. Rightly so, he's a great fit for us. Stewart and Jay are guys I'd love to steal from their new FO, but usually they'll evaluate for a period before moving guys like that. Top 25 Individual Options(my preferences) 1. Jake Thompson 2. Joe Musgrove 3. Matt Wisler 4. Mike Clevinger 5. Kendall Graveman 6. Matt Andriese 7. Kyle Gibson 8. Nate Karns 9. Matt Boyd 10. Daniel Mengden 11. Chad Green 12. Anthony Banda 13. Jesse Hahn 14. Drew Hutchison 15. Zach Eflin 16. Jimmy Nelson 17. Aaron Blair 18. Ross Stripling 19. Brian Johnson 20. Adam Plutko 21. Brian Flynn 22. Zac Godley 23. Cody Anderson 24. Cody Reed 25. Austin Voth In the end, I'm not sure HOW we address the SP depth. We may grab a DFA or two. We may make a small trade or two. We may sign a FA or two. We may make a larger trade that definitely pushes Monty down to the pen. We may even do one of each of these. But I know that we're not heading into the season as we sit now.

Heyman said they were still in after the Davis trade. Very possible the Uehara signing took them out on Holland.

Just saw they may go after Encarnacion now. So, slightly better than mediocre. A likely WC team even! Possibly eve projected within 10 games of us lol.

I guess I am not sure what you are referring to here. With Arrieta and Davis most likely receiving the QO next year, the Cubs would be gaining 2 compensatory picks. It would not surprise me if they offer Lackey the QO as well which would result in the lower-tiered compensatory pick. Are you assuming they will sign a FA who has a pick attached next offseason? Yeah, I expect us to sign one and what we'll receive back is a lower pick.

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The Cubs would be a mystery team because no one expects it NOW, with us trading for Davis already. I think we'd qualify. Theo came out of nowhere on Carl Crawford, so we know its possible. We keep saying we're building tons of depth for the pen. Hell, Wade Davis even said yesterday he doesn't care which inning he pitches. The loss of a draft pick would suck, but we're losing one this year or next anyway, almost assuredly. (And i get some don't even care, but the FO wants to have a system to trade from and we will need to trade for an SP soon)With the comp pick for Dex, a good case can be made it'd be better to lose it this year. With this new 10 Day DL......I think our plan is to manipulate the horsefeathers out of it. With depth in the pen, every guy could see that list once(maybe even twice) and stay fresher, heading into the postseason. General fatigue, arm fatigue, horsefeathering head cold.....Just figure we'll use it a bunch, as will others. And yeah, this is obviously a super long shot. But, I think we could see a Blevins or even Holland type addition still, assuming Kenley does wind up elsewhere.

Realistically, I don't think there's any team in on Kenley, outside of the Dodgers, Marlins, and Nats. And I think I believe he actually winds up a Marlin. But, if there WAS a mystery team that winds up with Kenley? Its US. We could do it and stay under the LT. We've got money falling off next year and can trade for our next big time SP and continue to stay under it, even with the arb raises coming up soon for the kids..... We could truly go with a 2 closer approach that each guy winds up with 30 saves.

Happy for Dex, thankful for Dex, but sad Dex has to endure those idiots in order to get paid.

My guess is we're out on Ziegler now? I'll guess that Holland takes a gig he's got a chance to be the closer in? I'll guess we're still in on Blevins. If we add him, this is a pretty insane pen. It kind of is already.

The Dodgers wouldn't give up Urias for 3 years of Sale. I doubt there's 10 players in baseball they'd move him for. One year of Jake certainly isn't getting him.

They did blow it on Moncada. The rules just changed. It didn't have anything to do with it being our second time. The Red Sox, Yanks, and others got the two year penalty the first time they blew past their slot. OK, I thought I pulled up an article a second ago saying that they got one year but I guess that was wrong. So Moncada was technically a 2014 signing for Boston (so their penalty was after that period), and we wanted him to wait til (July) 2015, when we blew our wad again...do I have that right now? Yeah, he signed a few months before that period was over and we were able to spend again. Supposedly, it was a very tough decision and he had spent a whole day with Maddon, but wanted to get started immediately, instead of missing the majority of that season.

Walk me through this thought process Assuming he IS getting posted next year, the Yanks(and Red Sox) come out of their penalty box for IFA signings. They'll be able to blow their entire 4.75 mill on him and trade for up to 80% more, to give him as well. The Cubs and Dodgers are capped at offering him 300,000. Sure, there's going to be a few teams that'll be able to offer him 5.75 mill, plus 80% more, if they trade for it...... But the difference being basically a million bucks- Its easy to see him taking the discount to play for the historic Yankees(or Red Sox) especially considering the marketing dollars he'd get in NY, compared to anywhere else. In fact, the only 2 other teams I'd even see with a chance would be the Angels(extreme long shot) and Mariners, which is plausible, for location purposes, history with Japanese players, and even though they sold off most of the team, Japanese ownership.....

Or Red Sox. horsefeathers So our penalty was two years because it was the second time? I'm trying to figure this out, because didn't the Red Sox just blow the limit on Moncada alone? They did blow it on Moncada. The rules just changed. It didn't have anything to do with it being our second time. The Red Sox, Yanks, and others got the two year penalty the first time they blew past their slot.

What was it? He said the Nats had explored getting closer Todd Frazier from the White Sox

https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/806941720466190336 Can't stop, won't stop.

They've gift wrapped him to the Yankees.

[tweet] [/tweet] The world needs ditch diggers too.

Oh well, guess we got sniped.

At his age and experience level, he's a very good bet to stick. No surprise over losing him. Wish we had added him personally.

Regardless of whether the math works out on whether he'd pay for himself (I think you're right, btw...), if he were to make it known he wouldn't sign more than a one year deal, if no one were willing to pay the max $20 mil posting fee, then it comes down to who is willing to pay the most. So long as one team were to make a bid, someone will get the rights to negotiate with him. That number doesn't have to get to $20 mil to get him in play. Probably close to every team in baseball would be willing to take him on a one year deal for at least the minimum posting fee plus the max salary they could offer him. So the question is, would his team refrain from posting him if they weren't confident they'd get $20 million? Why would a contender that's got money, NOT give an ace a one year, 30ish mill deal? Getting a team to fork over a 20 mill posting fee for him, even just for a year, is a no-brainer.

Dear Aroldis, We won a World Series. You helped. Kindly go horsefeathers yourself now.