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I would still rather they explore a trade with the Bo Sox for Manny. I would take Manny over Tejada any day. But I think I'm in the minority on this board. :cry:

Would Santa still be angry if Prior and others brought us Manny and Tejada?

If Hendry is so dead set on getting rid of Prior, then they should deal him to Boston for Manny and Arroyo. But having said that, I think whoever has Hendry's cell phone service should shut off his phone for a couple weeks, and cancel his email, too. Make him unreachable. Keep him away from phones, if he's going to shop Prior. Maybe he is trying to Dusty Proof the team, but I just cannot believe he'd weaken the biggest strength on the team just because he's afraid Baker won't play Cedeno AND Murton. If this was such a problem, then why be an idiot and sign Perez, just to end up having to deal your 24 year old ace starter because your manager is bloody stupid? If he's panicking because he hasn't really improved the offense, then why weaken the strength you have left to do so? It doesn't make sense. There's no rational reason to be shopping Prior for anything less than a top 5 player in baseball. Maybe Hendry can spin his magic and get BOTH Manny and Tejada.........Hmmm?

Then move on and look elsewhere for help. Current Cubs + Tejada - Prior does not = champion. So there's no point in making the deal. Exactly. No deal is better than a terrible deal. Boston IMO is a better match for the Cubs, at least the Cubs have some parts that would interest Boston. Are you referring to a Manny trade? Would Pie + Murton + Hill for Manny interest the Sox? Don't leave out CPatt. They need a CF.

Then move on and look elsewhere for help. Current Cubs + Tejada - Prior does not = champion. So there's no point in making the deal. Exactly. No deal is better than a terrible deal. Boston IMO is a better match for the Cubs, at least the Cubs have some parts that would interest Boston. Are you referring to a Manny trade?

I have to ask... Likely, greater difference in production going from Cedeno to Tejada or Burnitz (now Jones) to Abreu/Dunn? Just trying to gauge, how much the fact that Tejada plays SS is factoring into the equation? For '06, I think it is very likely to be a bigger boost to production to go to Abreu than the other two. However, I can see the argument against him because he's older. I can't see the Cubs valuing Dunn correctly because of the K's and I think they would be very uncomfortable shipping Prior within the division. Ship him to Boston for Manny. Same age concerns, much bigger attitude questions and defensive liability issues, as well. Sammy had the same if not worse ego, attitude problems. Not to mention defensive issues. As long as he produces, IMO it's a non-issue. Chemistry on the other hand....?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-cside23.html A piece of the Manny to the Cubs puzzle?

I have to ask... Likely, greater difference in production going from Cedeno to Tejada or Burnitz (now Jones) to Abreu/Dunn? Just trying to gauge, how much the fact that Tejada plays SS is factoring into the equation? For '06, I think it is very likely to be a bigger boost to production to go to Abreu than the other two. However, I can see the argument against him because he's older. I can't see the Cubs valuing Dunn correctly because of the K's and I think they would be very uncomfortable shipping Prior within the division. Ship him to Boston for Manny.

We better be getting Manny AND Tejada then... Manny AND Tejada? World Series here come the Cubbies =P~ Sorry, Manny will cost as many runs as he drives in. NO Thanks!!!!!!!! Manny might cost you 10-20 runs on defense. I'm pretty sure he'd generate a few more than that. I'm also talking injuries and his little fits when he decides not to play. Hey, I realize he has a great bat. I just don't like the idea of that headcase being on this team. Yes, some of it may be false and he may even be getting a bad rap foe something that isn't his fault. He's been asking to get traded out of Boston for 2 years. As soon as a situation came up at Wrigley he'd do the samething. I'd still take him any day of the week. 40-45 home runs 135-150 rbis, I could live with a headcase. Hey, we lived with Sammy, and by all accounts he was that way his whole Cub career. None of us complained because he was producing.

We better be getting Manny AND Tejada then... Manny AND Tejada? World Series here come the Cubbies =P~

Oh, is that what this thread is about? :lol: Come on guys, kiss and make-up. Its all good.

BINGO I don't advacate the trading of Z or Prior, but that is a very realistic point. Remember not trading Sammy in 01 I think? Big mistake. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Question to all: If Prior is traded, who would you rather trade him for? Miggy? Manny? I'm not saying you want to trade him, but if you had a choice, who would it be for?

Mr. Miles, I just wanted to thank you for taking time for us Cubs fans. Even though you don't have to, you still do. Getting to talk to you on NSBB is almost as exciting as a big trade. Thanks again.

I understand that angle and it makes a lot of sense, and frankly, I think that is what they'll do, if they trade him at all. However I also wouldn't be surprised to see them engage in a small rebuilding process. And it can't hurt to ask, 'cause man, Manny's offense could really help this team: Pierre Hairston Lee Manny Aram Jones Barrett Cedeno I'd be happ...ier. That same exact theory was mentioned by Buster Olney on the Hot List a while ago. Maybe now is the time for the Cubs to jump in the Manny sweepstakes :D Throw them the Farm. Then I could actually be happy with Jones.

This is interesting. While I don't find it very probable. What kind of deal could be swung with the BoSox for Manny. I would say it would take a lot, but it may be worth a lot to get one of the best hitters in the game today. Realistically, my idea for the trade would be: Cubs get: Manny Boston gets: Patterson, Williams, Wellemeyer, and at least another ML ready prospect. I still dont know if that is enough for Boston to bite. They would still have a hole at shortstop, so they might ask for Cedeno as well. The money involved obviously is not equal as well. In conclusion, it's going to be difficult and expensive to trade for Manny. Would Tejada be cheaper? I don't think that's realistic. First off, you'd probably have to add Murton to the list (and with Manny and Jones in the corners for the next 3 years, you might as well). You'd have to include some bullpen arms as well. You would have to give them enough to convince them to pick up some of Manny's salary. Not sure how realistic it is, but very interesting. Could anyone explain to me the FA signing rules? Sometimes it seems there are a lot of little details that I can never remember. Like not being able to trade someone until June or something like that. When does this rule apply? If it dosent apply to Jones, could he be a part of the package? That way we could keep Murton, send them Jones to replace Manny, CPatt in center, Williams, Welly, and maybe a prospect or 2.

An opening in Center? Do you think the Cubs could offer CPatt and others in an attempt for a Manny Trade? Unlikely, I know. But in a lot of ways, it makes sence. After losing Damon, Manny really wont want to stay in Boston. And I really see the BoSox going in the wrong direction. Thoughts, comments?

I think he is now with the Braves.

What if we landed Tejada and did not land a Weaver type pitcher? I think landing a mediocre pitcher like Weaver would negate some of the improvements Tejada would bring. What else is actually out there? Millwood? Would love to have him, but I dont see it.

I'm with everyone here, I really am not all that impressed with Jones. BUT, if Hendry can pull off this Tejada trade and get maybe a Weaver type pitcher, you never know....

If this is the case, is it something that can be corrected, or is Prior another Wood? If it can be corrected, what affects will it have on his pitches? :-k

I'm sure the Sox would have to eat some of the money. I'm all for Manny coming here, I have been for about 2 years now. But if it would cost us Aram....no thanks. I just think Manny would thrive at Wrigley. If we had him, it would be a fun, fun summer.

But how long did it take us to find a great 3rd baseman? I really dont want to wait another 30 years, do you?

I think the asking price would start at Juan Pierre and Aramis Ramirez, meanwhile we take on Mike Lowell's contract along with Manny's. I would gut the farm system for him, and give up CPat Hairston, and the usual pen suspects, but Aramis stays. Would love to have Aram-Lee-Man-Ram..........Sound familiar?.........Edmonds-Pujols-Rolan

I would love to have Manny. But would Manny want to come here? What would it cost us players wise?