MeatampPotatoesMan

Orton, buddy. :( 2nd TO for the bears. Hillenmeyer with the INT. :D YEAH!!

wake up defense. ridiculous. this is NO, not Indy.

yup. millwood is leaving. that's $7M off the books right there. 9.5-7=2.5. Um, it's not like they're trading away Millwood, who had three years left on his contract. That's 7 mil off last year's books, but 0 off 2006's, since he's not under contract. Your point is fallacious. nope, considering they made the offer to him for over 7M next year. they have the room for his salary.

nice play, Vasher! force that fumble.

nice pass, orton.

what the heck is going on? :evil:

saints get good field position to open the game. start at NO 45 yardline. :(

yup. millwood is leaving. that's $7M off the books right there. 9.5-7=2.5. The Tribe doesn't have that luxury. Their payroll isn't going much of anywhere, and they have 11 million dollars in raises guaranteed to players, plus a couple arbitration eligibles and a bunch of renewals that'll get slight increases. They simply can't take on that salary while losing cheap production in Sizemore. They're going to have to cut weight just to try to keep Millwood and Wickman/Howry. yup. i understand. i just think the deal doesn't go through more b/c of money, not Grady Sizemore.

yup. millwood is leaving. that's $7M off the books right there. 9.5-7=2.5.

wow. :shock: omfg. they wouldn't take ramirez + cash for sizemore and prospects? i'm sorry, sizemore is awesome, but that's just stupid. as good as sizemore is, some of that is a function of pitchers not knowing your hole(s). his ceiling will never touch manny's numbers. How is the Indians stupid for not trading a young, cheap and PRODUCTIVE CF (an all-around player to boot) for an expensive, malcontent, awesome hitter? On talent, Ramirez would be great to trade for, but the Indians are NOT ready to commit that much money into one player (regardless of who the player is). I don't understand why the hate on Sizemore, Meat? This kid is going to win GG, and continue to hit around .300/.360 with 25-30 SB, and 20-25 homeruns. I promise a YOUNG valuable player like Sizemore (and he is the face of the franchise) is more valuable to Cleveland then Ramirez. Regardless of what you believe Meat, Sizemore AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE, period. When he starts peaking above the break even point for SB/CS, then i'll start desiring his SB skills. Until then he's a detriment to the team by running himself into outs. He's never going to be a master base stealer (personally, i think that aspect is overrated anyways). His OBP is attractive as a leadoff hitter and he plays good defense with an average arm. GG caliber? We'll see. he was solid this past year, that's for sure. But you're telling be you wouldn't take Manny Ramirez's production in LF over Sizemore's? You can stick another high OBP (.350 isn't that high) guy in CF cheaply. Manny's OPS isn't that easily replaceable. Defense is overrated. Can you imagine Hafner and Manny going back to back? I would be astounded if that team didn't make the playoffs for the next three years in a row, much less win a WS. Sizemore may indeed continue hitting well. Manny is a sure thing, and will put up better numbers. The only issue is money, and it is a huge issue. That is what keeps Cleveland off of Manny, not dealing Sizemore. A $40M team needs to be careful with money, but if Millwood came off the books (7M) and Boston paid a decent amount of the contract, it would be affordable. i don't hate sizemore. i'd take him in cubbie blue any day, but Manny Ramirez? come on.

aren't Giles and Burnett looking for 4 and 5 year contracts, respectively? i can't imagine them not getting what they want in this market.

yeah, but the rumors seem to point towards walker being dished off. we have a few holes to fill and FA isn't going to cover it. so we're trading walker to open up another hole? no, supposedly cedeno is filling the 2B hole. i don't agree with it, but that seems to be the way Hendry is headed. if cedeno flops, we will indeed have a hole at 2b. at least we'll have neifi. :roll: hendry is hellbent on furcal, which means we'll probably need to get our other holes filled via trade. the likelihood of us getting any two of giles, burnett, furcal is pretty slim. i want marcus giles. :cry:

wow. :shock: omfg. they wouldn't take ramirez + cash for sizemore and prospects? i'm sorry, sizemore is awesome, but that's just stupid. as good as sizemore is, some of that is a function of pitchers not knowing your hole(s). his ceiling will never touch manny's numbers.

Did I miss something in this deal or are the Cubs getting Abreu and giving up only $2 million? I'll go for that deal any day. that's pretty far fetched anyways given the Pirates budget.

Abreu home/road splits in '05 (even worse that Burrell's): Home: .304/.423/.535/.958 Away: .268/.387/.417/.805 check this out (click on the different tabs to compare OBP, K/BB, etc): http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=949&position=OF&page=0&playerid2=945 '04 Abreu Home: .314/.451/.552/1.004 Away: .290/.405/.535/.941 Burrell Home: .286/.398/.519/.917 Away: .231/.336/.399/.735 BABIP Abreu 2004: .334 2005: .335 Burrell 2004: .310 2005: .341 IMO, Burrell's year is a fluke, as are Abreu's splits from this past year. Yeah, Abreu also had some off the field issues that may have hurt him (not his fault). look at how BABIP is trending. Burrell's isn't that out of wack...maybe a tad high, but not ridiculous like Murton's. http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=949&position=OF&page=7&playerid2=945&playerid3=0

Abreu home/road splits in '05 (even worse that Burrell's): Home: .304/.423/.535/.958 Away: .268/.387/.417/.805 check this out (click on the different tabs to compare OBP, K/BB, etc): http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=949&position=OF&page=0&playerid2=945

what other mlb caliber trade bait do we have on this team (lee, aram, and barrett aren't being traded with hendry as GM)? walker is a good player at a decent price. we should be able to fill a hole on this team, provided Cedeno/Neifi pan out at 2b.

Burrell please. He doesn't have Abreu's arm, but Abreu is a joke in the field otherwise (yes, i know some idiots gave him a GG). His salary is large, but it's comparable to what we'd have to pay Giles (for decreasing production as he ages).

yeah, but the rumors seem to point towards walker being dished off. we have a few holes to fill and FA isn't going to cover it.

:lol: spreading joy is a noble pursuit.

I disliked their roles and not them. ditto. both are solid bench players. oh, and i'd like to add Dusty Baker, Tony LaRussa, and ARod to my list. Actually, I don't even think Macias is a solid bench player. He really has no business even being in the majors. The Cubs pay him nearly a $1 mil/year to suck. So yes, I hate him. he makes wood and prior feel good during all their sim games. keep your studs happy.

Cleveland won't trade Sizemore for anyone. He just turned 23, so the numbers he put up this past year was at 22 years of age. 70 XBH's, 22 stolen bases, 111 runs scored. Those are the kinds of guys you build around, not trade. he's not untouchable, but his value is very high. we'd get raped trying to acquire him, but it could be done. it won't. JH isn't a moron when it come to trades. i could see kevin towers doing it though. :oops:

it's not like he's untouchable and has been for some time (like Pie seemingly is). he was a longshot to pan out and he did...for one season. one season. i just don't think his value is as high as you believe. he's not a 5 tool player, or even that great of a defender. it would take a good/great prospect or two to land him though just b/c of that one season of offensive production plus a vet like walker. with snyder waiting in the wings, sizemore is cheaply replaceable for the indians. he's not untouchable.

yup, he was the 2004 Indians' top prospect. two years ago brings us to 2003. in that year he was ranked no higher than 7th in the system, not "elite" by any means. it's like J. Leicester (8th ranked prospect in our system according to BA at the beginning of the year) coming through to be a major contributor at the MLB level in the next two years (a huge longshot).

sizemore just had one great season. he wasn't the "elite prospect" everyone thinks he is a two or three years ago.