MeatampPotatoesMan

he doesn't just swallow his pride, he throws away millions of dollars. you don't pay 3+ million for a bench player plus incentives (that he'll never reach off the bench).

Who said that? I believe most are saying that dusty can't be trusted to start Cedeno over Neifi, so Neifi wouldn't be just a bench player. Neifi off the bench is a solid addition to our team (defensively and offensively with limited ABs). neifi starting is an offensive nightmare, especially when dusty throws him in front of lee and ramirez in the lineup.

ARam may have a lower OBP, but he slugs like a champ. even Abreu can't touch him. if you put high OBP players in front of him, you're going to generate a lot of runs. his plate discipline wasn't too great this last year (looking at K/BB) but we're going to ride ARam in his prime, where his power more than makes up for lack of plate discipline. Ramirez is capable of solid D (look at 2004). Injured hamstrings don't help, but that's fixable. Get him stretching and fielding a ton of balls in BP and he's good to go.

Nice!! Way to end the game Vasher. Bring on San Fran.

it depends on what you get in return. if someone wants to get robbed, yeah, i'd consider trading Ramirez, Lee, or Z.

20-17 with 6 seconds left. 8)

he'd be a lot better if orton was reasonably accurate beyond 15 yards. please let the FG be good.

this game is frustrating.

yup. millwood is leaving. that's $7M off the books right there. 9.5-7=2.5. Um, it's not like they're trading away Millwood, who had three years left on his contract. That's 7 mil off last year's books, but 0 off 2006's, since he's not under contract. Your point is fallacious. nope, considering they made the offer to him for over 7M next year. they have the room for his salary. And that has what, exactly, to do with '07 and '08? the offer was multi-year. dude, come on. Really? because doesn't exactly imply a three-year contract. And really, it's pretty much still irrelevant--just because they wanted to spend the money to preserve their pitching staff doesn't mean it's smart to use that same money to replace a 22 year old fine all-around player who's likely to keep improving at league minimum or thereabout, with an expensive, defensively indifferent, aging superstar who costs at least 18-20 times more. He may be better, but I'm pretty sure he won't be pitching 200 innings for the Indians. So, you're getting an attitude because I haven't followed Cleveland/Millwood contract talks to exact detail. And then you say: ...is this a joke? "You can spend money any way you wish?" You start off saying that not trading Sizemore and then some for Manny is "stupid," and turn around saying "you can spend money any way you wish?" How absurd. So to go from young and good to old, great, and several times more expensive without helping the pitching staff, which is what that money would have otherwise gone to, at all. How is this smart? Moreover, how is this SO smart as to render not doing it "stupid," as you claim? Sure, you can spend money however you want, but what does that have to do with anything? I hope you don't apply that princiiple to your everyday life. "Hey, I should upgrade from this Benz to a Rolls--if I refinance the mobile home, I just may be able to swing it." great analogy.

We need to look at replacing Tillman next year.

nice run, Rook.

yup. millwood is leaving. that's $7M off the books right there. 9.5-7=2.5. Um, it's not like they're trading away Millwood, who had three years left on his contract. That's 7 mil off last year's books, but 0 off 2006's, since he's not under contract. Your point is fallacious. nope, considering they made the offer to him for over 7M next year. they have the room for his salary. And that has what, exactly, to do with '07 and '08? the offer was multi-year. dude, come on. Really? because doesn't exactly imply a three-year contract. And really, it's pretty much still irrelevant--just because they wanted to spend the money to preserve their pitching staff doesn't mean it's smart to use that same money to replace a 22 year old fine all-around player who's likely to keep improving at league minimum or thereabout, with an expensive, defensively indifferent, aging superstar who costs at least 18-20 times more. He may be better, but I'm pretty sure he won't be pitching 200 innings for the Indians. yeah, they made a FA a 1 year offer after publicly saying they'd make an offer competitive with any he might receive on the open market. :roll: no, it's not irrelevant. you can spend money any way you wish.

Moose has got to be frustrated. he'd have a ton of yards if orton could put it anywhere close.

there we go, defense. 3 and out.

nice hit Hillenmeyer.

cedric benson, who? :lol:

adrian peterson, NOICE!!!

yup. millwood is leaving. that's $7M off the books right there. 9.5-7=2.5. Um, it's not like they're trading away Millwood, who had three years left on his contract. That's 7 mil off last year's books, but 0 off 2006's, since he's not under contract. Your point is fallacious. nope, considering they made the offer to him for over 7M next year. they have the room for his salary. And that has what, exactly, to do with '07 and '08? the offer was multi-year. dude, come on.

we gave up 100+ yards rushing in the first half. :shock: :x

Orton is a different player in the last 2 minutes of the first half (over 100 passer rating).

nice grab, Moose!

I think the footing has played a major factor in this. Orton's accuracy issues are supposedly due to some mechanical issues with his footwork. Look at that field-it looks like it was chewed up and spit out. I'm not shocked there are offensive issues today. The defense needs to hold us in this. NO is playing on the same field. It's not like they've been much better, though, and Aaron Brook's problems stem from the fact that he sucks, not his footwork. lol we just need to wake up on D. hopefully we put one in the endzone before the half.

I think the footing has played a major factor in this. Orton's accuracy issues are supposedly due to some mechanical issues with his footwork. Look at that field-it looks like it was chewed up and spit out. I'm not shocked there are offensive issues today. The defense needs to hold us in this. NO is playing on the same field.

Grossman is going to take his job. :wink:

orton, you are awesome. stop overthrowing the frickin ball.