Which is why I believe winning a gold glove (even though gold gloves are extremely superficial) would help his cause. I think he should have won it last year. He's got a good chance to win it this year though, although sportswriters seemed to have anointed David Wright as "the chosen one." Through his first 4,589 AB's (93-02), Chipper had 253 HR, 837 RBI, and 1419 hits Through his first 4,403 AB's (98-07), Ramirez had 222 HR, 770 RBI, and 1246 hits So, obviously Chipper is ahead of Ramirez in offensive stats through his first nine seasons or so, but not by a ton, at least as regards the sexy stats. Now, talk about OPS+ or WARP3 and stuff like, and Chipper blows Ramirez away. So I wouldn't dismiss Ramirez as a candidate. I think he's actually a decent candidate at this point if he continues to play for another seven or eight years.