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My brother said Holliday did a "Soriano", a HR and dropped ball in the same game.

I was watching the Hawks/Wings game so I missed most of the first half. I turned it over to see the last minute or so of the half. I didnt understand why the ESPN guys were making such a big deal about Missouri going for it. I think it is an easy decision. As for Momentum, I think you already lost most of it by settling for a FG in that situation. I think that's the reason most coaches don't go for it more - people will criticize it if it doesn't work, even though it's the right decision. One of the announcers last night even said he'll give him credit if it works, but question him if it doesn't. Another, however, gave him credit no matter the outcome. Yeah, Like baseball the talking heads and their conventional wisdom have way too much influence over large groups of fans.

I was watching the Hawks/Wings game so I missed most of the first half. I turned it over to see the last minute or so of the half. I didnt understand why the ESPN guys were making such a big deal about Missouri going for it. I think it is an easy decision. As for Momentum, I think you already lost most of it by settling for a FG in that situation.

I thought the same thing. Also, if you are going to be on a network that only covers your sport twice a week, at least try to schedule compelling games on those nights i think they've done a decent job of that (wsh/bos, wsh/phi) but being stuck on two nights a week is terrible. especially considering that one of those nights is usually either monday or wednesday, and those days are terrible for hockey. I dont understand why versus doesnt open it up more anyway. Does Bullfighting really get higher ratings then hockey? I think Versus should also create an alternative to Sportscenter that has some more hockey coverage. Not really trying to compete with Sportscenter, but give an alternative sports highlight program. I am not saying to not throw in baseball, football, and basketball highlights and scores, but to make sure that at least every hockey game has highlights shown. Lastly do whatever it takes to get your network in every TV in this country without people having to pay extra.

I thought the same thing. Also, if you are going to be on a network that only covers your sport twice a week, at least try to schedule compelling games on those nights

That's over-thinking it, to my mind. I don't think Q calling that timeout cemented in the guys' heads that they were [expletive] if they didn't score. It said they had a golden opportunity to take a two-goal lead and it was worth the extra time to draw something up. Now, that said, I disagree with Q calling the TO there because it gave Detroit's PK'ers a breather. Stuart and Kronwall were on the ice before the TO. I am sure Q was thinking that Lids and Rafalski were coming out anyway and there is probably not that much difference between Zetterburg and Datsyuk. I think the TO was more so he could get his top guys a breather. I was shocked that Stuart and Kronwall came back out to finish the 5-3. I dont think there was anything wrong with using the TO there.

I read in a baseball abstract that when the A's were in KC, Finley wanted to change the dimensions of the field to be the same as Yankee stadium. MLB wouldnt allow it so Finley had a line put in the outfield to show where the fence was at Yankee stadium. Everytime the ball was hit over the line he had the PA announcer say "That would have been a HR in Yankee Stadium" The Twins set the MLB record at the time by hitting 4 straight HRs. Supposedly the 5th batter hit one over the line in RF and the PA announcer said "and That would have been a HR in Yankee Stadium"

agreed, which is why he's being suspended from playing football instead of going to jail for a long time. what punishment do you think is appropriate for lying to the ncaa? How long is the punishment? The NCAA is notorious for screwing people over for relatively minor mistakes, I wouldn't entirely blame a kid for lying about something he might have thought could land him in a heap of trouble. I don't necessarily have a problem with them punishing the guy, but is he suspended for the season or something? That would be nuts. I actually heard someone suggest this morning that NCAA FB and BB players form an union. As absurd as it sounded, the absurdity of the NCAA often is begging for some drastic reaction.

Things the Wings do well...Check, Forecheck, backcheck, battle for pucks in corners, play physical in front of net. Things the Wings avoid...Fighting, running at players long after they have released the puck to just make a big hit but take yourself out of play, stupid scrums after whistle. The first list I made was things that physical play does that helps a team win. The second group is things that players do just to show how tough they are but dont help win hockey games. Team oriented...individual oriented. I am glad the Wings play "Nancy" hockey. What Babcock is getting frustrated with is some of the activities that go on after the whistle. I am not sure adding Brad May is a good solution. I was surprised to hear him say that. But it suggests that perhaps some of the running around (from your "second list") does in fact help the team win games if it keeps the skill guys on the ice. Yeah, simple truth is until recently every team in the NHL had a thug for a reason. Sadly a thug who can play good puck control hockey are very rare. I think it is too bad that Todd Bertuzzi lost his testicles after the Moore incident. Of course if he still had them the Wings would not have picked him up for so cheap.

Things the Wings do well...Check, Forecheck, backcheck, battle for pucks in corners, play physical in front of net. Things the Wings avoid...Fighting, running at players long after they have released the puck to just make a big hit but take yourself out of play, stupid scrums after whistle. The first list I made was things that physical play does that helps a team win. The second group is things that players do just to show how tough they are but dont help win hockey games. Team oriented...individual oriented. I am glad the Wings play "Nancy" hockey. What Babcock is getting frustrated with is some of the activities that go on after the whistle. I am not sure adding Brad May is a good solution.

MSU only has 7 home games this year, and CMU is probably almost as good as ND. I have believed for awhile that as long as the NCAA is going to endorse this Faux National Championship thing, they need to take more control of scheduling and officiating for non-conference games. I would suggest that until just recently PSU, UM and MSU have played fairly competitive non con schedules, they may have seen the writing on the wall of some other major powers from the south and changed their ways

has cyno been banned? I dont like his constant complaining about officiating, but loved his passion for hockey.

living in central Illinois I realize Illini fb fans are apathetic and mostly closet PSU fans, but when do they start booing this crap

What do you think of Weis as a coach? I don't really know what ND fans think of him. I really want to like him. He's a decent (not great, but decent) offensive coordinator, and a fantastic recruiter. But he's made some horrible staff choices (Minter and Tenuta as DCs, John Latina as OL coach), he gets too cute way too damn often, and he completely and totally lacks the ability to finish teams off (ND lost 3 games last year in which they led by double digits in the 2nd half, and they should have 2 more such losses this year but was bailed out both times). If tonight was a sign of what we can expect to see without Floyd, it looks like that injury may finish him at Notre Dame. Come on, Andy. Weis made mistakes early with his staff hires, w/o question. The timing of his hire and the SB made his first staff and recruiting sort of a disaster. But Tenuta is a "horrible" staff choice? Come on. He's widely considered one of the greatest DCs in CFB. Verducci was a fantastic hire, as was Alford. There are holes in the coaching staff, but Tenuta isn't horrible. Weis is a great OC and a very good to great recruiter. After a couple of misses his first couple seasons, he seems to be improving. He doesn't manage the clock well and burns a lot of TOs that way. He goes for it on 4th in dumb situations (at the 20 yard line last night and then on the 4th and 10 - both with backups). But instead of accepting that JC was out last night and just game planning for Crist, he planned for both. If Clausen and Allen miss significant time, it's not going to matter the results as long as recruiting is still there. No coach should be fired b/c his #1 QB, RB, and WR miss the same game(s). MSU and Purdue are also not awful. I am not saying they are good, but they are not chopped liver. Very Similar to Iowa playing UNI close, I think way too much is made of these "close" wins against "inferior" opponents. Notre Dame is much improved and looking like a potential top 5 next year

Def a concussion then. its going to be unbearable when he comes back in leads Florida to a big win against someone

Did Clausen hurt his toe more? or is it something else

I wonder if the White Stripes ever dreamed that their song would come to this?

and you're a michigan fan. your posting history makes this pretty obvious. it's fine but let's not lie about our loyalties here. as for the anthony thomas fumble, maybe it was a facemask but the ball was out before any facemask would have occurred. and i like how you play off the rocky harvey like having to drive another 40 yards doesn't matter. also, feel free to provide examples of where michigan was boned over by the refs. Just off the top of my head I know they got boned at MSU about 10 yrs ago. I also think Michigan got a huge officiating break in the game that Mario Manningham went off on us and came back to beat us in OT a few years ago. That is not the point that I wanted to make. Poor officiating is subjective. If you have a quantified record that Michigan gets more breaks than anyone else, show it, if not it is just your subjective ramblings. You would think on this board where if someone would just make a claim that a player is good because of some "intangibles" in baseball, he would get ripped. Basically you guys are making the same claims about officiating and Michigan. You are subjectively watching games and coming up with conclusions based on our feelings.

why not? it's been happening for years. i'm just too tired of pointing it out to even get annoyed. if you play michigan in ann arbor you have to overcome the home-field officiating. i just wish it worked against them when the went on the road. it's not a problem for any specific team in the conference; everyone gets screwed against them. As a MSU fan I find this very tiring. Maybe its because my dad and son are Michigan fans, but the truth is that Michigan has had many games in the past where poor officiating has hurt them. It is your dislike of Michigan that is clouding your judgement, not any objective facts that show that Michigan receives more breaks than anyone else. So please just shut up. Maybe your Penn st and ND supperiority complexes just cant handle that Michigan is just as good as you guys if not better. I was at that Illinois/Michigan game. It doesnt show it on the replay from the angle on the video but there was a facemask on Anthony Thomas on the play that he fumbled. It is easily seen on the reverse angle that is never shown in Illinois. Yes the refs blew teh Rocky Harvey fumble, but that also would have been fourth down adn Illinois would have punted. If you were at that game you would have realized that Illinois didnt stop Michigan the entire 2nd half. So an extra 40 yards the punt would have netted would have been meaningless. What is lost in this is that Michigan had like 400 yards rushing. It is easy to blame refs, but if you give up 400 yards rushing you are a loser!!

It would appear that MSU is reverting to the JL Smith days on the field

Rowand is unpopular with Giant fans.

His idiocy is so pervasive on the boards right now that I can barely bring myself to visit. I can't believe the mods have allowed him to troll for so long. I'm a troll because I 100% disagree with you? Interesting logic. You're continually asserting incorrect things after being corrected multiple times. That's an obvious failure to engage in a rational debate, and shows that you have no interest in listening to opinions other than your own. That's pretty much the definition of trolling. No, I have no interest in the three or four Bradley defenders telling me how unfair we all have been to him. That's a joke. I am not a Bradley defender, but it does seem interesting that every season that the Cubs dont play up to expectations there seems to be a player who gets scapegoated by management. Do you think if the Cubs were in first place right now they would be suspending Bradley for his behavior?

So a man marrys a woman whose number he got from a bathroom wall. She loves him and promises to change after going out to one dinner. He thinks, well she promises to change and makes a great roast beef. She is also pretty and good in the sack. So after they get married the mans friend keeps reminding the man that his wife is a tramp. So when the roast beef gets burnt they really remind him that she is a tramp. Even though she was still pretty and good in the sack there was much tension rising. The man then lost his job and made some bad investments. His wife burnt the roast beef again. The friends and family of the man kept pointing out to the man that his problems revolve around his wife being a tramp. So before long he starts to become untrusting of his wife. His wife after burning the roast beef one more time reverts back into being a tramp....which eventually leads to divorce. So who is to blame for the divorce? The Man, the Wife, the friends or that the rest of his life fell apart? I think there is plenty for everyone.

Why non ND fans hate ND. Michigan freaking State!! I hate to mention this but the only thing that ND has in their resume from the last 10 yrs that makes them better than MSU is 2 BCS appearances that they would have not received if they were not ND(and MSU beat them one of those years). I should be upset that our terrible defense gave up so much to Notre freaking Dame. You blame the recent bad streak on bad ND coaching without even looking at who MSU had coaching since Sabean left. Here is the truth...Notre Dame is at the same competitive level as MSU and has been for at least 10 years. and yes, Jimmy Clausen is real good

Agreed about Kessel being over rated and Burke sucking. Not sure it was a great trade for the Bruins though