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  1. From MLBTR.com I could have sworn I'd heard this report earlier, but my boss was talking on the phone while we were coming back from an appointment so I couldn't hear it that well.
  2. Article about Hendry working from the hospital room: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6247184
  3. Marquis is terrible. He's not worth $2 million. Go after Suppan now. Maybe it helps us get Suppan?!? BTW, I don't think you can judge Marquis soley on his performance last year either. His previous two seasons were not bad at all and to get a guy with that type of potential for a million or two would not be bad at all. It's very low risk because he won't be guaranteed a large salary or a spot in the rotation. There's no need to go low risk again. We need a solid pitcher. His K/BB ratio sucks, and his ERA+, sans two years, sucks. Miller is our low-risk guy, we need to fill the rotation with solid, durable pitchers (like Suppan or Penny) Penny's not going to happen. I would bet that Suppan is Hendry's next target.
  4. Ofman just said there are rumors flowing that Hendry's next target could be Suppan. I know everyone here thinks G.O. is an idiot, but it still warrants attention. He's not the guy getting the info anyways, its usually the beat reporters supplying the information.
  5. Marquis is terrible. He's not worth $2 million. Go after Suppan now. Maybe it helps us get Suppan?!? BTW, I don't think you can judge Marquis soley on his performance last year either. His previous two seasons were not bad at all and to get a guy with that type of potential for a million or two would not be bad at all. It's very low risk because he won't be guaranteed a large salary or a spot in the rotation.
  6. I'm on board for this type of acquisition. My guess is that it's either a ST Invite (probably a little early for that type of deal) or a one-year deal with incentives ala Dempster / Williamson. I don't see this signing holding the Cubs back from still looking at impact players for the staff or the field because Marquis will not make more than $2Million this year. It will probably include a team option of $4-5M for next year with a buyout in case he pans out.
  7. Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting: ~190 IP ~110K ~60 BB ~4.00 ERA 31-32 Starts ~14 wins With the Cubs, you don't know that last one to be true. Also remember that he was with the Cards. Figure in the extra year of age and the change of scenery to the northside, and standard metrics project his numbers with the Cubs in '07 to be along the lines of: ~75 IP ~35K ~60BB ~6.35 ERA ~17 starts ~5 wins ~2.5 months on the DL So you're just going to throw numbers around arbitrarily? Those are based on absolutely nothing. All of the sudden his bb/K ratio is going to flip flop? Standard metrics couldn't possibly be more wrong if this is the case. So based on this theory, or metric, would Carlos Zambrano be a 30-game winner if he joined the cards? Would he then strike out 300 hitters because he was a cardinal? Would he be twice the horse and throw more innings (300?) while staying even more healthy?
  8. You know what they say...desperate times call for desperate measures... it's remiscient of how Jones was the worst possible signing, and people were describing him as untradeable, and now many are reluctant to let him go for fear of the effect it will have on our Offense. I must have missed the Suppan discussion. He's always seemed to be a magnet to teams trying to contend and never has any clunker seasons.
  9. Hell, if we're giving 4 years to Meche or Lilly, I think Suppan deserves 4/$44M at least. Battle-tested and durable is all I need to know to sign that check. Of course I'm not signing the checks...
  10. Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting: ~190 IP ~110K ~60 BB ~4.00 ERA 31-32 Starts ~14 wins With the Cubs, you don't know that last one to be true. If Maddux could do it... (Seven Cubs have won 14+ games in the past four seasons.)
  11. Look at Suppan's innings over the past eight years and the rest of his stats over the past four seasons. He's been the model of consistency and is not at all the gamble the other SP's have been thus far. With Suppan you know what you're getting: ~190 IP ~110K ~60 BB ~4.00 ERA 31-32 Starts ~14 wins
  12. I agree. Suppan's numbers are ridicuolously consistent and he's proven durable and reliable in the playoffs. I'd love getting him over either Lilly or Meche. I was wondering why he was getting the backburner...
  13. For the Church fans: I'm guessing they meant Rich Hill...
  14. Funny that's exactly what my friend said about Lilly but I think Lilly is better than that. It's not even close. The most they have in common is that their left-handed. As stupid as it sounds, Zito and Estes (early in Estes' career) have way more in common that Lilly ever has with Estes. Both of the former were guys who depended on huge curveballs with good but not great fastballs. Estes not only lost velocity, but his curveball became very inconsistent. Sometimes it was flat and sometimes it was big - but not over the plate. Zito has lost velocity and snap on his curve but hasn't experienced any loss of control so he should be fine. But Lilly, he's not really comparable as far as I could tell. I watched him alot last year (fantasy team) and never thought of Estes.
  15. I can also add that Duke had coaches constantly altering his delivery last year. Because he was on my fantasy baseball team I was always monitoring Duke news stories and read alot about him being frustrated because the coaches kept messing with his delivery and motion. That could have been a large contributor to his lack of success and consistency last year.
  16. Chalk that up to a sophomore slump. If you could only base a guy's talent on one small sample, he'd be Cy Young based on his 2005 stats. His real value is somewhere in the middle.
  17. I like Duke a lot, but in order to deal Jones to the Bucs for him, we'd likely have to include a top 5 pitching prospect (and probably an A-ball type) while taking on one of their bad contracts - if they still have any. It might still be worth it at that point depending on which pitcher they want out of our top 5. Because if it's Hill, all bets are off. He might already be better than Duke. Or - he could be this year's 2005 Zach Duke for all we know.
  18. There's a lot of discussion about this in the Winter Meetings thread.
  19. Note: I hadn't noticed that Rotoworld said that he could get a bigger deal than Meche and Lilly. But shouldn't he? He's not much older and would warrant such a deal IMO.
  20. Is there some reason why Suppan isn't getting any respect this offseason? Is he completely off the Cubs radar because he was a Card? Looking over his stats he's put together eight straight seasons of 188-218 innings and four straight seasons of ERA's under 4.17. While the latter may not be all that impressive, compare him to the inconsistent and ugly numbers of all the mediocre pitchers slated to get $10M /yr for 3-4 years. Suppan's stats have been ridiculously consistent for eight years. If we were looking for someone who could go out there and be a good number three for good money - Why not Suppan? His IP, K, BB, H, W, R and number of starts are far more consistent - not to mention better than every FA pitcher not named Zito or Schmidt. The only figures I could find were a possible offer (4yrs/36M) from the Pirates discussed a week ago from the Pirates. The Giants are said to be interested as well. For his low risk shouldn't he be considered over some of these higher risk SP candidates?
  21. I can see it now - the Cubs will come in at 4 or 5 years and the Cards will sign him in a deal for 3 years. God, I hate the Cardinals.
  22. You missed my point, so I guess I'll spell it out more carefully: You don't have to read the thread. And apparently you missed mine. So, in order to actually participate in this thread I'll say this: Dunn isn't bad, he isn't great, and any way you slice it the Reds are not going to trade him to the Cubs unless we pony up more than he's worth.
  23. The thread was clearly titled. You weren't tricked into opening and reading it by any kind of legerdemain. Get a new vocabulary list in class today? Or is it a word-a-day calendar? He's been waiting since April 23rd to use that one. Unfortunately it was a reach and in the context of my post, completely gratuitous.
  24. The thread was clearly titled. You weren't tricked into opening and reading it by any kind of legerdemain. At what point did I say I was tricked into opening this thread? Legerdemain?? For the record my post wasn't to call out the author of the thread, more to remind all participants how ugly this discussion is going to get because of how passionate both sides are to this argument. But I'll be sure to keep my eyes open for legerdemain in the future...
  25. Holy Crap. Not another Adam Dunn thread! It seems like once a month this thing gets rehashed with the same arguments for and against him. Half the people here love him, the other half hate him. Until something substantial linking him to the Cubs comes up, there should be a moratorium on Adam Dunn trades.
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