What, you don't like the whell he tried to cheat, but failed at it. But, hey he learned his lesson and won't try and cheat again defense? The guy is a cheater and should have been suspended like everyone else who has been caught. Seriously, reread his posts if you even read them in the first place. Here is Haltz's point: Regardless of what team a player plays for, if they take HGH, they aren't really helping their performance. This is the conclusion that doctors and scientists have come up with. They cheat, yes, but they aren't actually affecting their performance on the field. Thus, dismissing Ankiel's outfield putouts as "another half cup" or whatever is dumb. This isn't the place for Haltz to make the point, nor did he do it in the clearest way possible, but most of you would be smart enough to figure out what he was saying had the name "Rick Ankiel" or "St. Louis Cardinals" not been involved. Seriously he cheated, whether it worked or not. He should be punished like everyone else. Can you read that? Where have I ever said anything to the contrary, Captain I Like to Put Words In People's Mouths? Seriously, stop it. Namecalling really isn't allowed here. Oh really? Are you a mod? I wasn't aware. If any of them have a problem, they can tell me. Otherwise, stop being so thick. I've never seen you be involved in a thread where you didn't take someone's words out of context to make an annoying point or just flat out make something up that isn't there.