samhainn77
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I realize Z is still more valuable as a starter, I'm not sure why you keep trying to talk me into it. I think the move is ridiculous whatever the reasoning is. We're not talking about rational people, we're talking about Lou. He already has a precedence for moving starters to relievers to lighten the stress on their arms. That was the main reason for Woody coming back as a reliever. The assetion was that he could handle throwing fewer pitches every few days better than lots of pitches every 5. It doesn't matter. You think my scenario is not worth discussing and I don't agree with your broad brushed assumptions about what lou is or isn't dumb enough to do. This is clearly a "When in Rome" situation.
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I'm wondering the same thing. This feels similar to the Harden situation. Limit the innings, get what you can out of him. Extremely stupid if he is hurt.
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What would be the point of that as opposed to shutting him down and putting him on the DL or having him have surgery if that's necessary? Again, we're talking about a 28-year-old pitcher here in the middle of a huge, largely untrade-able contract. How does it benefit the Cubs to "hide" an injury or let him pitch through it? It doesn't help at all, long term. It would be devastating. Short term, however, maybe you steal an extra 5 or 6 wins and sneak into the playoffs - thus saving your job until next year where you have to deal with Z recovering from surgery. Again, this isn't an option for competent, forward thinking GMs. Neither are 8 year deals with NTC to 31 year olds. But we're talking the long term now since it's only 2 weeks into the season. If Z has an injury that is keeping him from starting then he's not going to last the whole year, or if it does it won't be as an effective reliever or as one that you can call in enough to "steal those extra wins." It's simply not a realistic scenario at all. Isn't that exactly what they did with Harden after we acquired him in 2008? Even through most of last year, skipped starts, limited innings, etc. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/wsfb/news/index.jsp?action=locate&pid=425848
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What would be the point of that as opposed to shutting him down and putting him on the DL or having him have surgery if that's necessary? Again, we're talking about a 28-year-old pitcher here in the middle of a huge, largely untrade-able contract. How does it benefit the Cubs to "hide" an injury or let him pitch through it? It doesn't help at all, long term. It would be devastating. Short term, however, maybe you steal an extra 5 or 6 wins and sneak into the playoffs - thus saving your job until next year where you have to deal with Z recovering from surgery. Again, this isn't an option for competent, forward thinking GMs. Neither are 8 year deals with NTC to 31 year olds.
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What would be the point of that as opposed to shutting him down and putting him on the DL or having him have surgery if that's necessary? Again, we're talking about a 28-year-old pitcher here in the middle of a huge, largely untrade-able contract. How does it benefit the Cubs to "hide" an injury or let him pitch through it? Yeah, there's significantly stupid and then there is unbelievably stupid. I'm sure moving Zambrano to the bullpen was only significantly stupid. Having him pitch his way through an injury would be unbelievably stupid. First off, make no mistake, I'm not advocating this. I'm just afraid that we have Lou/Hendry pegged for the wrong kind of dumb. You have a GM and Manager who are both in win-this-year-or-else mode. This pair also happily rode Rich Harden's "no risk to damaging it further, 5/6 inning" arm. You have an extremely hard headed starting pitcher who spent a significant amount of last few years skipping starts to rest a sore arm. While I agree that it is incredibly stupid, I wouldn't be totally surprised if the plan was to get him through the year and fix him after the playoffs (that we are throwing a hail mary at).
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I absolutely hate this move on so many levels. However, what's been eating at me is that maybe Lou ISN'T this dumb. What if they are playing dumb to hide an injury that is severely going to limit Z's innings this year? Maybe they know about some fraying that they are keeping under wraps and they are trying to get as much out of Z this season as possible.
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Torre is a really good manager!
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Gameday
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I agree.
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Dero ends it here.
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Get those pitches down, Weaver.
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Yes
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Missed first base and the Dodgers appealed and won LMAO! Awesome.
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Wtf happened? Gameday had Thurston hitting a double...then changed it to ground out.
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Nah, it will be Dero for the extra kick in the sac.
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I'm ok with that.
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Besides all the Cardinal fans - I kinda like it here.
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OMG
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Pujols must have told him to swing at anything a foot outside.
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OMG Pujols talked to him!
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LMAO
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Lol this would be interesting to watch if Heilman wasn't just going to come in and walk the batter on 4 pitches.
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I want to get a job where I can just make [expletive] up with no repercussions. Apply to your local newspaper.
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well yeah they lose him for 50 games but they also get 100+ games of roided-up manny. Lol, no doubt.
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Only if Wellemeyer throws. :beg: