nilodnayr

I think they'll move Braun to left, Hall to 3B and Hart to CF, Gross to RF. Or at least something along those lines with Braun to left and Hall to 3B. They took Braun out for a defensive replacement nearly every game, only called him up in May and STILL he was the worst defensive player in the game by a good margin.

Considering Jurrjens >>>> Sean Marshall...probably not. I think Gorky is probably the more valuable of the two, but I think a Marshall + EPatt deal fits their immediate needs better. Basically a lower risk/lower reward version of Gorky and Jurrjens. Maybe not EASILY gotten the deal done, but I think we could have gotten it done. I would take Gorkys Hernandez and Jurrjens over EPatt + Marshall but I think most teams would rather have Marshall in a trade over Jurrgens straight up. I bet if you took a poll among GMs it would probably be 50/50 over which package is better. It just seemed to me (and from quotes) that the Braves were looking for a ML starter to step in. Marshall provides that, Jurrjens doesn't. Does Gorky play center or a corner OF?

He might have, but I don't think it would complicate things anymore than attempting to trade him prior to him opting out of his contract. I agree, the whole point is that the Yanks would be trading him to a team he would sign an extention with. Plus, from everything I've heard, I don't know if hes "officially" opted out. If he has, then I guess its a moot point. I don't know how complicated it really would have been. If I'm Stoneman and Cashman calls me and says, "hey, ARod's gonna opt out and hes considering signing with you guys. If you want to save $20M (the texas $), we'll trade him to you for Brandon Wood (or whomever of some value) and give you guys a 72 hour window for an extention" Seems pretty simple to me. Its a win win because the yanks get something for nothing, the Angels give up something, but save $20, some of which is going to go as "extra $" to ARod, and some to their coffers. It doesn't even have to be as valuable as Brandon Wood (although after another crappy year, his value is questionable). The Yanks obviously aren't in the drivers seat and should pretty much be interested in taking any B prospect.

What does a 6 WARP translate into, something like a $12M MORP? Not too shabby.

Unless they are going to move Johnson to center, escobar to 2b and play ARod at short OR move Chipper back to the OF again, it ain't happening. Both of those scenarios seem very unlikely to happen. They have options and young talent. They also are pretty creative when it comes to deals so this quick deal makes me wonder why they made this trade so early, unless they are going young I can't think of a reason why they would sell Renteria so quickly. Renteria could be on Mitchells list I suppose and this was a chance to sell high. You have to remember that Atlanta traded for Tex at the deadline last year, which increased payroll rather than reduced it like they've been wanting to do for years. They have Yunel Escobar and Brent Lillibridge to step in at SS. I don't see Atlanta making a play for A-Rod. They just don't want to hang on to players too long that they clearly want to move. Each player that they don't trade right away hampers their future offseason decisions. I think I read somewhere they are going to try Lillibridge in CF.

Considering Jurrjens >>>> Sean Marshall...probably not. I think Gorky is probably the more valuable of the two, but I think a Marshall + EPatt deal fits their immediate needs better. Basically a lower risk/lower reward version of Gorky and Jurrjens. Maybe not EASILY gotten the deal done, but I think we could have gotten it done.

Unless they are going to move Johnson to center, escobar to 2b and play ARod at short OR move Chipper back to the OF again, it ain't happening. Both of those scenarios seem very unlikely to happen. They have options and young talent. They also are pretty creative when it comes to deals so this quick deal makes me wonder why they made this trade so early, unless they are going young I can't think of a reason why they would sell Renteria so quickly. Renteria could be on Mitchells list I suppose and this was a chance to sell high. I don't think they really sold short a ton here. I think Marshall + another player fits their needs better, but Jurrjens and Hernandez aren't bad. Gorky is pretty highly thought of and Jurrjens is only 21 despite already reaching the majors. Hes in a really rich group of young pitchers and probably gets overshadowed because of this.

Heres one point that hasn't been talked about much. Why don't the Yanks trade ARod? Boras told (left a VM) for Cashman telling him ARod was going to opt out before he even met to listen to the offer that the Yanks were going to put on the table. So, this isn't JUST about money, its about where hes playing. Texas' money would still be in the situation. Its ARod whos flushing Texas' 20M down the toilet. It'd be a win-win-win for ARod, the Yanks, and the team acquiring him. The only loser would be Texas.

Unless they are going to move Johnson to center, escobar to 2b and play ARod at short OR move Chipper back to the OF again, it ain't happening. Both of those scenarios seem very unlikely to happen.

Yeah, so Sean Marshall and anyone else could have easily got this done.

Supposedly Cashman was the one who was advocating for Girardi. I'm thinking this is politics. Cashman greenlighted Girardi because he thought he could manipulate him and have Joe be on his side with any disputes with the Steinbrenners. Hank let Cashman have his way this time so in future disageements he could say, "but I let you pick Girardi, you owe me one". Its just so odd that one second Mattingly was the favorite and the next Girardi's getting the job. God only knows whats happening at those meetings. The power play on Torre backfired completely, the next thing they decide is to pick up Abreu's option when they have more important guys about to become FAs, they paint themselves into a corner on ARod and he opts out, and now this. BoSox win the WS and things are quickly crumbling in the Bronx.

did he call him chris everet?

Negative = Me, KC, Jon, TT, Navin, CubsinNY, Rob (might have missed a few) Positive= Everyone else From the Sori signing thread. Good times. Man that was fun. Gotta love 8 years 136M for a guy who out OPSed his NL position average by 63 points and is on the wrong side of 30 with skills that typically deteriorate (and have alreasy started to) quickly. But he was a 40-40-40 guy!!!!!

but will it be anywhere near as entertaining as the Soriano signing thread? At least this time I don't think I'll be arguing against everyone!!! YAY. I was on your side last time, nilo. Ahh yes, sorry CR. There were a few of us. I think possibly meph too. Which side were you guys on? the "its a horrible signing" side

but will it be anywhere near as entertaining as the Soriano signing thread? At least this time I don't think I'll be arguing against everyone!!! YAY. I was on your side last time, nilo. Ahh yes, sorry CR. There were a few of us. I think possibly meph too.

Hookers don't bring in playoff revenue. Or at least none that I know of.

but will it be anywhere near as entertaining as the Soriano signing thread? At least this time I don't think I'll be arguing against everyone!!! YAY.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the how the red sox finished their season.

But don't advanced defensive metrics show that crisp has been amazing this year and has (possibly more than) made up for his bat? I'd definitely explore it, right now given his value it appears to be a low risk/high reward type situation.

No one knows. In an interview Hendry said that he believed the payroll would slightly increase, and at least stay the same.

The giants are not too far removed from the Texas situation that ARod was in and so desperately wanted to get out of. As others have said, regardless of their pitching, they have NO offense other than Bonds. So in scenarios where ARod is replacing Bonds, they will be just about back to where they started. The fact that Sabean refuses to spend money on the draft (well on whatever crummy draft picks he doesn't give up) means that this is not going to be a team with a bright future. They will have to basically turn over their entire roster of position players in the very near future and don't have much of anything from the farm to replace them cheaply. SO, they will have to spend money on the FA market to fill those holes. Plus, those old farts weren't making a ton of money (most in the 5M range) so the roster turn over isn't going to free up a ton of money. Spending the money on ARod will prohibit their ability to field an offense anywhere near to league average.

The worst thing that could happen this offseason is Antonetti going to the Cards. Well, the worst thing for Cubs fans.

If you say so. When you're trotting a Santana out there instead of Jason Marquis, the offense does not have to score as many runs in order to win. Ahh, I see. So an offense that doesn't have to score as many runs looks better. Makes perfect sense. When you picked up the paper today did you read "Man that Mike Lowell had a real nice win lastnight"? Makes as much sense as your claim that "a pitcher will win more games and hence look better. " If his peripherals are the same, he's THE SAME pitcher who wins more games due to the offense. It works both ways. A pitcher "wins" a game when he leaves after 5 innings with the lead and his team holds onto the lead. So, if a pitcher gives up 4 runs in 5 innings with offense A scoring only 2 runs as opposed to offense B scoring 14 runs. While the pitcher did exactly the same, he gets a "loss" with offense A and a "win" with offense B. Hence, the pitcher will get a "win" with a better offense and since the "W" stat is applied to pitchers, then yes, he'll look better. Yes, the pitcher is the same, but he gets a W next to his name with a better offense. Offensive players do not get W's next to their names. Thats why it works both ways. As I said before, you didn't see a W next to Lowell's name or in the headlines after the last WS game, did you?

He already was in 2007.

I wouldn't exactly consider Joba and Marmol interchangable. Thats a fairly ridiculous notion. Its not that we don't have anything of value, its that compared to the players that are on the other side of the deal, the value isn't close to equivalent.