nilodnayr

unless you want to win the WS

Hey the other Jim (Bowden that is), offered that deal to Krivsky 8 times. I'm not kidding, and yes I know your post was sarcasm. Too bad Krivsky isnt stll there. Obviously he had some interest in Sori.

Catcher--Soto 5 days, Blanco 1 1B--Lee 6 days 2B--DeRosa 4 days, Theriot 2 SS--Cedeno 5 days, Theriot 1 3B--ARam 5.5 days, DeRosa .5 RF--Fukudome 6 days CF--Pie/Johnson platoon LF--Soriano 5.5 days, DeRosa .5

I posted it earlier, but theres $650M due on December 4th. I think thats the likely date everyone will be shooting for.

I think you'll find a lot more Bonds lovers than haters on here because theres a decent chunk of us that actually want the cubs to improve. Bonds is exactly what the Cubs are looking for, middle of the order lefty and hes freely available (ie dont have to give up anything for him). I hate collusion.

I was sent this offer. I lost Gallardo, Smoltz, and Pedro to my rotation (also . I still have quality with Beckett, Lincecum, Volquez, but I've got Garza, Scherzer, and a floater (currently Greg Smith) behind them, so I'm lacking on quantity. In my league you really need 6 starters to get to the IP limit. Standard 5x5, 12 team, deep benches. This is a tempting deal. I love Peavy (duh) and could really really use him (duh again). I loved riding Rollins last year (this is a 5 player keeper league), but thought he was playing a bit over his head. I'm not that big on Tejada but hes quite a solid 4 category guy in the NL in the juicebox. Scherzer, meh, I used my first waiver claim on him but his IP are going to be held to roughly 100 more or so and doesnt have a clear rotation spot in a couple weeks. Thoughts?

Maybe because I just traded Scherzer for Soriano in my fantasy league. Thank you, Yahoo! hype machine. Jesus H, how is that even allowed?

Do the Reds have two players on there Team named Griffey because I'm not seeing it on the roster. Griffey is no longer the fielder he once was but still is above average in the field. He can't handle center but still has an above average arm and owns ten gold gloves. Stole six bags last year and only got once and is still a smart baserunner. His 07 numbers would look pretty good in left field. Saying one of the best players in the game over the last 20 years should be benched because he's off to a slow start is a joke. It has nothing to do with a slow start, it has to do with how he is projected to play based on his performance the last 4 years and age curve. What are you using to back up your assertation that he is "still above average in the field"? The fact that he has 10 gold gloves? An award we all know is complete BS and that he hasn't won in 9 years? Are you serious? I'll believe UZR, you believe whatever you want. From 2003-2007 (the experience used for projections) he stole 7 bases in 9 attempts, thats below average speed. Additionally, moving from first to third is analyzed, but I don't have that data specifically. He might be a smart baserunner, but hes definitely a slow baserunner. Again you use the last 20 years to back up your arguement. It doesn't matter how good Griffey was 10 years ago, it matters how good Griffey is going to be in the future. People just cant seem to grasp that concept.

I think one thing you are failing to realize is that Griffey also projects as a below average hitter for his position by a decent amount. He has the unique distinction of being a bad hitter, fielder, and baserunner and its not even qustioned whether or not he should be benched. Hell, he has a better chance of being selected to an AS game. I'm not going to say he's the only player ever to be in that category in the history of baseball, but that's pretty rare.

Guessing is for suckers!!!! Pitches/PA 2002 - 3.97 2003 - 3.75 2004 - 3.91 2005 - 3.92 2006 - 3.95 2007 - 3.99 2008 - 3.90 (including tonight) Nope, Pitches/PA is right on with his career average of 3.91.

I got the weighted average of runs we should have scored at 1.44. Assuming expected RS with bases loaded and 0 outs=2.147, 1 out=1.65, 2 outs=.815 So by actually scoring 1.58, they've "outproduced" expectations.

That's a freaking horrible analysis. I'm a saber guy myself, but this guys application is as dorked up as I think you can get. There's no way Griffey is one of the worst full time starters in the history of the game. I'm by no means a Griffey fan myself, I don't want him on our team. But I don't even have to think hard and I can come up with several examples that I don't think anyone would argue are worse than him. Many of them former Cubs. Neifi, Jeff Blauser anyone? Thats a pretty hardcore saber retort you just provided there... And Griffey just scored one in the mgl column in what will most definitely go down as the great saber Griffey debate between Jericho and the #1b guy in all of statistical baseball analysis. Let's see here..."Convert those CF numbers to RF (add +8 or +10 maybe?), take a weighted average, age adjust, and then regress to a 39 yo player with a terrible speed score, and I guarantee you are going to get a number a low worse than -15." Yeah, that sounds real scientific. Add on top of that, no disclosure of how he calculates "throws," coupled with arbitrarily giving him -5, I don't see any real analysis. I see abuse of metrics. Add the common sense test on top of that. You can't seriously assert that Griffey is one of the worst regular players in the history of the game. He did, but he didn't offer up any comparisons whatsoever. He must not have done any research whatsoever before making that statement. Just think about that one, who all could be considered as worse players of all time? I wouldn't even consider Griffey for worse regular player of the 2000s, much less all time. First addressing the "worst player of all time"...I take that as a hyperbole. You are absolutely correct he didn't test this against anyone else (or more accurately say "projects to be" the worst player of all time), but I can put my critical reading hat on too and come to the conclusion that it is meant as a hyperbole. And as for the defensive metric, yeah, thats pretty scientific. Does he spell it out exactly how he calculates all of those adjustments? No. Does he really need to? No. He doesn't need to prove his credentials to the people reading the comments of his own blog? If you don't think mgl can calc weighted averages, age adjust, and regress, then just ignore anything anyone posts about him. He uses UZR, weights based on how recent the experience was (I think 5,4,3,2). 8-10 runs is a pretty well accepted adjustment from CF to a corner. Actually, when I did it, I got a -23 run player on defense alone. He explains a little deeper how he comes up with hims arm ratings a couple posts later. In case you didnt realize, this is a blog and these were blog comments. They are quick and dirty estimates that aren't meant to be terribly exact, but when you are talking about a couple runs, you aren't going to make a material difference. This isn't a written article or anything. What should be gleaned from mgl's analysis is that A) Griffey's defense is terrible and much worse than what people perceive it to be and B) aging has caught up to him fairly significantly making him much worse than he actually is vs what people think when they hear the name Griffey. They think prime griffey, but hes way way past it.

So in your opinion, Ryan Theriot does not deserve to play then? Play? Yes. Consistantly play over players that are better than him? No.

Heres the really interesting thing (and bad news)...hes not really throwing any less balls than he has in his career. Balls/Total Pitch 2002 - 41.2 2003 - 39.0 2004 - 37.9 2005 - 37.7 2006 - 40.1 2007 - 38.7 2008 - 37.1 (including tonight) Yet the results don't show it in BB/9 2002 - 5.23 2003 - 3.95 2004 - 3.48 2005 - 3.47 2006 - 4.84 2007 - 4.20 2008 - 2.29 (including tonight)

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viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48033&start=75 I only beat ya by about 15 hours... I would love that lineup. Um, Vance beat you by what, 3 or 4 years. I mean mentioning it with this team as an option right now. I'm sure he's the only one who wanted Dunn over the last few years. :roll: I was just playin with you...although Vance was penciling in Dunn and Fukudome into our OF 3 years ago.

I can't say that I hate him, but I sure wish we had gone in a different direction with the pick. http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Matt%20Wieters&pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446308 http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Rick%20Porcello&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519144 I didnt even need to hover on those links to figure out who they were...and I even guessed who you'd list first and who you'd list second.

Dusty Baker you should be managing your team right now!!! Get off the interwebs! Shame on you.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48033&start=75 I only beat ya by about 15 hours... I would love that lineup. Um, Vance beat you by what, 3 or 4 years.

That's a freaking horrible analysis. I'm a saber guy myself, but this guys application is as dorked up as I think you can get. There's no way Griffey is one of the worst full time starters in the history of the game. I'm by no means a Griffey fan myself, I don't want him on our team. But I don't even have to think hard and I can come up with several examples that I don't think anyone would argue are worse than him. Many of them former Cubs. Neifi, Jeff Blauser anyone? Thats a pretty hardcore saber retort you just provided there... And Griffey just scored one in the mgl column in what will most definitely go down as the great saber Griffey debate between Jericho and the #1b guy in all of statistical baseball analysis.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence. I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season? By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size. You know you lost an argument when you begin your counterargument by pointing out spelling errors. You know you're reading a sethuel post in Baseball Discussions when it's only one line, and not about the actual baseball discussion. Seriously, try and add something of value sometime. It's readily apparent that you don't respond to posts that are of value, as demonstrated by your responses in this thread. So I'll continue my one liners, thank you Are you saying my posts are of no value? :cry:

I'm going to have to side with the WS on this one. Locker room talk is locker room talk. If you cant be a crude guy there, where can you be a crude guy? As Yogi said, the game is 90% mental and the other half physical (with sex dolls)". But the sox are in a slump, and they needed to get their minds off ot it and loosen up, thats what the whole point was. Sure, they should have put it in the trainers room or some place where only the players have access, but this really should be a "boys will be boys" situation. No one is getting hurt, no one is getting made to feel like an object. Its just guys trying to loosen up.

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence. I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season? By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size. You know you lost an argument when you begin your counterargument by pointing out spelling errors. You know you're reading a sethuel post in Baseball Discussions when it's only one line, and not about the actual baseball discussion. Seriously, try and add something of value sometime. he does have a point though...

If you're going to say something about me looking dumb, you probably don't want to spell the word asinine wrong in the previous sentence. I don't know how much more clearly I can make my point, but I'll try one last time. Ryan Theriot is the Cubs starting shortstop. Ronny Cedeno is the backup middle infielder. When the starter is doing his job, and playing a lot better than he's expected to, he's not going to get benched. Nor should he. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team, when the starter gets benched after playing great for the first month of the season? By the way, Theriot is 1-1 with a stolen base and a run so far tonight. Cedeno is 0-1 with a weak tapper back to third base. I know, I know... sample size. Aww spell check police!!! Snap you burned me! It send a message to the players that you want to win...but we wouldnt want a manager sending that type of message, now would we? We don't want to hurt their little feelings (said in a baby voice). And as for what I would do....I'd get Ronny and Theriot plenty of PT right now until one of them cools off. They both can play at least 3 position, theres plenty of PT to go around. Cedeno has started 4 of the last 11 games, thats unacceptable. And this whole notion of "starter" and "bench player" should be thrown out the window in this situation. Its not like Theriot has Soriano's body of work to lean on. He has one crappy year in the majors and many crappy years in the minors.

And if you could add correctly you'd find that we actually went 2-8 after taking out the 19-5 game, making it all the more unlucky :D I like to be conservative and not assume that we'll win a game that we outscore an opponent by 14. :?: In our last 11 games we were 3-8. If you remove the 19-5 game, then we are 2-8, not 3-7. That lack of wit was me responding in embarrasment for my simple math error. Sorry for the confusion. Ha, I thought thats what you were trying to do, but I just didn't get it :D