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I heard a rumor (I believe ESPN) Boston gets Lugo Braves get Renteria TB gets Marte (3rd base prospect from Braves) Is Marte too much to give up for Lugo? Who would Marte equal in terms of prospects if this is what Tampa is looking for. Also, with the Tampa outfield pretty crowded, what position could we trade from ....pitching?
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Cubs Acquire Juan Pierre
DesMoinesCub replied to mgallagher's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
I've come to the fact that some people hate Pierre and point to his CS, low OBP last year, lack of power, etc. I've also come to the fact that some people are not going to be happy unless the Cubs get "their" guy. I don't get how people argue that some people are given a free year of being below average (Wilkerson last year), but Pierre's below avg season gets brought up again and again. I just don't think Pierre is getting a fair shake with all of us. That being said, do I think Hendry overpaid...absolutely. Did Hendry have to over pay...probably (if 5-6 teams were after Pierre, then he had to) Do I like Wilkerson...I would be stupid if I didn't like a guy that got on base a lot. What if Hendry traded the same three guys for Wilkerson? Would people bring up the fact that he K'd a lot, would people bring up his below avg. season last year? I just think a lot of us are dismissing Wilkerson's year last year, but holding over Pierre's head. Just my thoughts, rip away. -
All good points Jehrico-the reason I bring him up is because of the apparent interest again from the Cubs. He is due to make a butt-load of money, but the Cubs have a lot to spend since they haven't gotten a "big time" free agent. Since he is gone next year, the money is then used to go after someone again next year. Think of it as Furcal's money only used for one year. Just a thought. I also tossed his name out there because he makes up for the loss of power Wilkerson and Bradley don't have. Not saying they don't have power, but they aren't going to hit 35 HR's. That being said, I would be thrilled to have Walker batting 2nd, but if Walker is gone, and all signs point to him leaving, then I don't want Hairston and Neifi playing. I would also be happy with Wilkerson hitting 2nd or 5th or 6th too.
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Dude is a catcher...he bats 8th. In all seriousness, Barrett would be fine. I put Bradley there, but Murton would work as well. I think Murton could turn into a Ryne Sandbert type hitter. 20-25 HR's, good avg., plate discipline, can make contact. The only problem is you are getting the production from a LF and not a 2nd basemen. That is why I think if they are indeed interested in Soriano, you can take less power in RF and/or LF.
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ESPN was reporting a rumor of: Renteria to Braves Lugo to Sox Marte (3rd base prospect) to Rays. Isn't Marte one of the Braves top prospects. Do we want to part with one of ours for Lugo?
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I posted the same situation awhile ago in the Pierre thread, so I will give my opinion again. I think Soriano is a good fit for 2nd since he will not be hitting lead off. I like his "pop" and for a 5th or 6th hitter can live with the K's. I also like Mench as a 4th OF. The reason I say this is because if we get Bradley, who is to say he doesn't do something stupid and get booted out for an extended period of time. Mench gives us insurance to find someone. Bradley is not your typical RF, but with the added pop Soriano gives you at 2nd, I think it would be a good deal. I forgot how I (stress I and not Dusty would bat these guys) Pierre-CF Bradley- RF Lee- 1B Ramirez-3B Soriano-2B Murton- LF Barrett-C Cedano-SS
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Cubs Acquire Juan Pierre
DesMoinesCub replied to mgallagher's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
I personally don't mind this trade at all. I can't believe I read through 18 to see what everyone had to say. Honestly, some people love the trade, some hate it. Simple as that. Diffusion, you keep bringing up Pierre CS. I don't see him running nearly as much with Baker (although Baker has surprised me before). Also, just throwing this out there...what if we get Bradley to play RF (which I think is a good idea, but scares me a little) and upgrade at another position. Someone pointed out the fact that corner OF give you your "power" numbers. However, what if we get "power" from another position. I really don't care where the production is coming from as long as they are productive. So my thought... I know a lot of people don't like Soriano, but what if he is not leading off. We can get some "power" from our 2nd basemen that we might be lacking with an OF of Murton/Pierre/Bradley. CF- Pierre RF- Bradley 1B- Lee 3B- Ramirez 2B- Soriano LF- Murton C- Barrett SS- Cedano We also have a lot of money to spend. Could this mean getting a more expensive player to play RF? I don't have the answers...feel free to rip away...I don't take offense to it. -
Wilkerson with no arms against Ditka without McMahon and Payton. Fridge in the backfield for the whole game... DITKA!!!
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Thanks Year...Please no Hendry bashing in your summary :D. Good to see the Hawks are being represented here. :D
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I am at work and can't listen to any of this. Can someone fill me in. Rusch 33-Headed to Tampa???
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I like the idea of Bradley. I think he will fit in good with the Cubs because of the personalities of the other players. Now, I have never met any of the current Cubs, but they seem like a laid back kind of group. In LA, Bradley and Kent didn't get along. Kent, however, had problems in SF with Bonds, and had the "truck washing" accident. What if the problems Bradley had were because Kent was a jerk? Again, I don't see anyone on the current Cubs who would be like that, but I could be wrong. Add this to the fact, our manager is suited for a guy like Bradley and I think it is a perfect fit for the Cubs.
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I like the idea of Bradley. I think he will fit in good with the Cubs because of the personalities of the other players. Now, I have never met any of the current Cubs, but they seem like a laid back kind of group. In LA, Bradley and Kent didn't get along. Kent, however, had problems in SF with Bonds, and had the "truck washing" accident. What if the problems Bradley had were because Kent was a jerk? Again, I don't see anyone on the current Cubs who would be like that, but I could be wrong. Add this to the fact, our manager is suited for a guy like Bradley and I think it is a perfect fit for the Cubs.
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I like the idea of Bradley. I think he will fit in good with the Cubs because of the personalities of the other players. Now, I have never met any of the current Cubs, but they seem like a laid back kind of group. In LA, Bradley and Kent didn't get along. Kent, however, had problems in SF with Bonds, and had the "truck washing" accident. What if the problems Bradley had were because Kent was a jerk? Again, I don't see anyone on the current Cubs who would be like that, but I could be wrong. Add this to the fact, our manager is suited for a guy like Bradley and I think it is a perfect fit for the Cubs.
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Will Carroll's Article
DesMoinesCub replied to stitchface's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
I know when Bradley was in LA, he had a problem with Kent. Now, I don't know Kent personally, and have never met the guy, but I know Kent had a problem in SF with Bonds. I also know Kent had the problem with his motorcycle/washing his truck incident. I guess what I am saying is that maybe Kent was the problem with Bradley. I don't see anyone on this team that would need to be the "star" of the clubhouse. I guess that is why I like Bradley with the Cubs. What was the other problems with Bradley? IIRC, didn't he have a problem with a fan in LA, and was there something that happened in Cleveland? -
I don't want to attack the poster, just the post. I will do this as best as I can... Let's say for example the Cubs actually sign Giles (which I don't think will happen). Because of injury/age/ whatever, Giles becomes a sub par player. Looking at past numbers, this would be a great deal. But would it be terrible because he was bad with the Cubs. I am hoping the Lawton trade was "bad" because of the position they were in when the made it and not for the fact Lawton didn't do a thing as a Cub.
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I honestly liked Karros. I think the right veteran who understands he is not going to play everyday is good for the "kids" to be around. Karros seemed to be professional in every aspect of the game. Don't know the guy, but he seemed to be. If you have the proper people in a line up you can take less production from younger guys. With Ensberg, Houston still had Biggio, Berkman, Bagwell, etc to hang their hats on. The Cubs line up doesn't have that type of "we can go easy with this guy because we are getting production from these guys" type of players IMO. Could it with Cedano...it all depends on what happens. I think Murton will have a better chance of "developing" then Cedano will.
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Can you bat leadoff? Your "sources" you speak of... how do they get their info? Maybe I put to much confidence or "trust" in your posts. Don't take any offense to that, but you always seem like you are in the know. Just wondering is all...
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Hoops, Not to be nosey, but do you have a position with the Cubs? Also, your sources seem to "fairly" accurate and your posts are very good to read.
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All right, I am a Hendry backer. Hendry's strength is making trades for the most part. I am sure someone will throw a trade back at me to prove I am wrong, but so be it. I am not worried yet that he has shown no interest in Giles. I am not worried that he has offered (insert avg. reliever here) so much money. I will base my judgement of JH in March when the season is getting ready to begin. In my opinion, if he has not made the club better by then, he could start hearing grumblings from me. Hendry has gotten four legitimate starters via trade with Barrett, Lee, Ramirez, and Murton. I am guessing he has a few things on the table. Pierre, although not everyone's top choice, would be a starter on any big league team, now if that team wins or not is another story. I will wait and save my opinion of Hendry until March.
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Why??? Is it because of his "problems". Please explain more in depth as to your reasoning behind this. I think his bat is much needed in the Cubs lineup. I don't know what the guy is like and from all accounts, it is not good, but let's see. If he can hit, get on base, and CATCH THE BALL ( I am even a Hendry backer and it fit in so well there), then he can be on the Cubs. As a teacher and coach myself, you always hear horror stories about how this kid is a pain in the butt, but until you actually see or meet the kid, you don't know. I have had many wonderful experiences with kids who were "trouble" and had terrible experiences with kids who are "good". Until someone proves me wrong, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. That being said, I would love to have Bradley on the Cubs. Could we put something in his contract that says something about his behavior?
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From: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AlnYBhHEHpuD3ivFFK4hUIYRvLYF?slug=cnnsi-ontheblock&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns Milton Bradley He's had issues in the past with fans, the media, the law, his teammates, other players, front offices, his family, the dog across the street, the guy at the corner burger joint and just about everyone else he's ever met. He's also coming off knee surgery. But, hey, the guy is still young and he has plenty of talent (.290, 13 homers in 75 games) and he can play any outfield position. Any team that trades for him -- and he's been linked to anyone that needs an outfielder, including the Cubs, Pirates (who hired former L.A. manager Jim Tracy), Tigers, Nationals, Cubs and Yankees -- can probably get him for practically nothing. But then they'll have to offer him a contract for '06 and, most likely, go through salary arbitration. If a trade isn't pulled off, the Dodgers aren't expected to offer him a contract, which will make him a free agent. PREDICTION: He won't be traded, the Dodgers won't offer him a contract and he'll become a free agent in December. Does anyone think the Cubs will wait to see if he becomes a free agent? Obviously, if they trade for him, they will get a contract worked out for the next year.
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Nick Ungs is from Dyersville, Iowa. I played ball with him through little league and against him in high school. He is a 26 year old in AA. Don't know if he will make it to the bigs, but kind of cool to have caught him when he was younger, and glad to see him playing for the US. Actually, cracked my cup after he bounced a fastball off homeplate. Needless to say I still remember that...
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If that 7.5 million is used to get us Dunn/Giles, then I would say no as well.
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I think Cedano and Williams for Soriano is a great idea. Given the fact that we ADD OTHER PEOPLE. He alone is not the answer. Soriano makes 7.5 million (according to ESPN player profile) and honestly don't know what his contract is like. I also agree he is not a lead off hitter, and should not be traded for to be a lead off hitter. So my question...do the Cubs have enough money to make something like this happen... 1B-Lee 2B-Soriano*makes Walker expendable* SS-??? 3B-Ramirez LF-Murton CF-??? RF-??? By making this trade, it leave 3 holes...SS,CF,RF. IMO we still don't have the leadoff hitter we need/want. Could we still get Pierre, how about Furcal and Dunn/Giles. Does Patterson get a shot if we can land another OF. I guess it takes the questions about Cedano playing out of the question, but still leaves many holes to fill. A line up of: 1. ??? 2. Murton 3. Lee 4. ??? 5. Ramirez 6. Soriano 7. Barrett 8. ???