grand final saturday (about midnight friday night your time)... geelong and collingwood, two best teams all year. collingwood has only lost twice this year, but both times were to geelong. the cats (geelong) won titles in 2007 and 2009, and most people figured their window was closed as AFL tends to run in 5 year cycles, but they've managed to stay very good even though many of their stars are "old" (with old being near 30 in the AFL). collingwood won the title last year and are very good and pretty young too. their coach is retiring after this year, somewhat controversially, because they'd continually been failing to reach grand finals under him despite many chances, so the club set up a succession plan where he'd step down after 2011 and hand over the reins to an assistant coach. now all of a sudden they've made two straight grand finals and could be back to back champs, and everyone seems to think that their coach wants to continue coaching. we'll see what happens... if he does coach again it won't be with them next year. geelong is a city about 45 minutes south of melbourne; that whole community is rabid cats supporters. collingwood is an inner city melbourne neighborhood; everyone in australia who isn't a magpies (black and white bird) supporter seems to hate them. collingwood supporters have the reputation of white sox fans; namely, toothless run-down thugs who are frequently drunk, on drugs, in jail or actively starting fights. http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/archive/index.php/t-84000.html i'm sure it's a dumb stereotype but it makes me laugh anyway.