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    Is Ivan Brethowr Worth Keeping an Eye on?


    Jason Ross

    The Chicago Cubs' 2024 seventh-round pick has been making some noise (literally and figuratively) in the first week of spring training. What could we see from him in 2025? 

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    If you've been following the Cubs during their opening week of Cactus League games, it's pretty likely you got to see Ivan Brethowr absolutely clobber a baseball 450 feet to deep left field. While that kind of result is really fun, it's probably important to very quickly remind everyone that spring training is little more than a glorified string of practice games, and that these things shouldn't really change a lot of our perceptions. At the same time, it was a little preview of some of the tantalizing upside that Brethowr has, and it's worth diving a little deeper into the prospect who's making himself quite noticeable in Mesa.

    The first thing that immediately stands out with Brethowr is his size. He's listed at 6-foot-6 and 250 pounds, so he cuts an imposing figure for a pitcher to have to face. He's a massive human being to begin with, then you add in a baseball bat? Yeah, there's a bit of an intimidation factor. Many across social media platforms have been quick to compare him to Aaron Judge, though that's almost assuredly unfair. While there's a pretty massive frame on the seventh-round pick, he's shown enough athleticism in his college days to have swiped 14 bags, so while he's not going to threaten often, there's enough to make you believe he's capable of moving decently.

    As with anyone with this imposing stature, there are both positives and negatives. On one hand, Brethowr looks like he can murder baseballs, and he can—but 6-foot-6 bodies can be used against you, as there's just more human skeleton to control. What this means for prospects like Brethowr are that swings can get long and be less twitchy, and pitchers can use the inside part of the plate (where it's harder to clear your hands) against you. Already, Brethowr has (at times) struggled to make enough contact with the baseball to use his power and his frame; this will be something to monitor going forward. 

    If there's good news in terms of his contact ability, it's that the slugger showed an ability to work on making more contact through his time in college. From his sophomore to junior year, he was able to lower his strikeout rate from 26.7% to 18.3%.. Even better, the reduction in strikeout rate did not come with a reduction of power, as his ISO and SLG went up, as well. He did struggle in his initial run with the Cubs' Low-A affiliate, the Myrtle Beach Pelicans, striking out 27% of the time and not really hitting much, but the hope is that it's a small sample in a very difficult-to-hit league, and that maybe these things iron themselves out through development. 

    A reason to be optimistic; I'm pretty sure the Cubs have already tweaked Brethowr's swing since the end of the season. Looking back at his time in Santa Barbara, his back shoulder was kept in a more relaxed, less fixed position: you could call it "loose". As he swung, back then, his hands loaded backward and stayed low to create an angle of attack to send the ball into the air. You can see the hand placement, the elbow, and the hand load on this homerun he hit in May.

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    Compare this to Brethowr this spring. It's a bit hard to see, as we're at the mercy of spring training's more austere selection of cameras, so we're looking straight on, but Brethowr's back shoulder is clearly in a more fixed and higher position. I would imagine, as well, that his hands may be pulled back a bit to help shorten his swing and/or make quicker decisions. There does not seem to be the same hand loading, and his hands seem to stay in place more. This is a good thing. It'll create a natural "rubber band" effect, and let him use his size and leverage to power the baseball—as opposed to forcing extra movement into the swing. With his size, he's got plenty of muscle already. One of the things that ESPN Pipeline brought up in his draft profile was that he had "a slow trigger," but he could be unlocked with "swing adjustments". I think we're seeing the Cubs attempt to make those. At least in this instance, it resulted in a 450-foot home run that had an exit velocity just shy of 109 mph. Compare his swing here to the previous video.

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    What should we make of this? As fun as his home run was, it's an uphill battle for the outfielder. Brethowr struggled in Myrtle Beach, and he must show that he can handle A-ball pitching before we dream about him hitting windows across the street from Wrigley Field.

    Despite that, this is my favorite kind of seventh-round pick. There's at least one skill you can bank on being top-of-the-scale (in this case, the power), with enough other skills and potential tweaks that it could all come together in a beautiful storm. A realistic and successful 2025 season probably has the slugger ending in Tennessee, with strikeout rates in the low-20s, and flashing that 70-grade raw power plenty. An unsuccessful season probably sees him struggle to make enough contact in Myrtle Beach or South Bend for the entire season. Perhaps those subtle swing tweaks will be the difference needed in turning a mid-round pick into something very fun down the road, and unlocking that perfect storm outcome.


    What do you think of Ivan Brethowr? Do you think he can unlock his potential? Did you notice the subtle mechanical tweaks? Let us know in the comments below!


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    Bertz

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    I'm curious where he opens the year.  I know he didn't do well at Myrtle to end the year but a lot of times guys are just gassed playing August/September baseball for more or less the first time.  And as a bat-only prospect out of college he really should be too good for low A right from the jump if he's anything worth a damn.  If he's at Myrtle much past Memorial Day that's probably a bad sign even if he's hitting well, and I'd feel better if he goes right to SB.

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    Jason Ross

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    20 minutes ago, Bertz said:

    I'm curious where he opens the year.  I know he didn't do well at Myrtle to end the year but a lot of times guys are just gassed playing August/September baseball for more or less the first time.  And as a bat-only prospect out of college he really should be too good for low A right from the jump if he's anything worth a damn.  If he's at Myrtle much past Memorial Day that's probably a bad sign even if he's hitting well, and I'd feel better if he goes right to SB.

    I'm guessing he'll get the bump to South Bend. I hate reading too much into ST - there's many reasons why the Cubs might be getting a look at him currently - but he's not looked outmatched. And every time I rewatch his new mechanics...I realize how piss-ugly it used to be compared to how simple and easy it looks now. He'll be 22, and as a bat first prospect...I think the Cubs will put him up there. Owen Caissie really struggled at South Bend and they promoted him regardless so I assume the Cubs will promote him as well. 

    craig

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    I figure anybody who has some noteworthy tool is worth keeping an eye on until they fail and prove they can't do it.  So for sure, I'll keep an eye on. 

    Really long shot, though.  Swing seems so long,  Going to strike out a lot, hard to imagine making enough good contact often enough to make it work.  But maybe he'll surprise.   

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    Jason Ross

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    8 hours ago, craig said:

    I figure anybody who has some noteworthy tool is worth keeping an eye on until they fail and prove they can't do it.  So for sure, I'll keep an eye on. 

    Really long shot, though.  Swing seems so long,  Going to strike out a lot, hard to imagine making enough good contact often enough to make it work.  But maybe he'll surprise.   

    Swing does get a bit long. Hoping that with a reduction of movement pre-swing that it can shortened that a bit. Part of it, however, is just being 6"6. There's a lot of arm to move and you're just naturally going to have a longer swing. 

    Not making a 1:1 comparison here, but Aaron Judge has a bottom 1% swing length. He's super long because he's huge, too. He's an elite talent and I dont want anyone to think I'm saying Brethowr is Judge, but that a long swing, on the surface, isn't an instant detractor. 

    Jason Ross

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    6 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Judge’s name comes up because sperts, sensationalism in general as if he’s the only tall guy, but maybe the player Brethowr’s most similar to in the org is Felix Stevens. Both big and tall RHHs, lots of swing and miss, less rangy COF and DH kind of movers on defense, even similar tracks with both seeming lined up to open with MB for age 22 yada yada

    Yeah I wouldn't make any direct comparisons to the two (and I've done my best not to as it's unfair to both for a multitude of reasons) - they're both big guys and that's probably where it's going to end. Brethowr's a seventh round selection and comes with plenty of things to overcome. I do think it's important to point out that you can be successful with a long swing - Arrenado, Judge, Bell, Goldschmidt, Machado, Raliegh, Ohtani....are all far from short kings who have some of the longest swings in baseball and have had various degrees of MLB success. Having a long swing isn't immediately disqualifying and comes with the territory of being a big dude. 

    Regardless, I do think the mechanical improvements are worth a longer look. I didn't realize how much I hated his swing in college and how much more I like it today. Will it result in a perfect storm? Almost assuredly not, but it gives it a platform. At least a better platform than the old mechanics gave him, IMO. I'm certainly far more excited about him today than I was previously, even if it's a "deep sleeper" type.

    JBears79

    Posted

    Brethrowr was part of that run of guys that the Cubs took that year that all had massive raw power, right? I remember liking that strat in the mid rounds.

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    Jason Ross

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    16 minutes ago, JBears79 said:

    Brethrowr was part of that run of guys that the Cubs took that year that all had massive raw power, right? I remember liking that strat in the mid rounds.

    Yes! And a group of prospects who were all stat cast darlings. Cam Smtih, Cole Mathis, Ivan Brethowr, Edgar Alvarez, Cameron Sisneros all kind of fit this mold. Interestingly enough most of these players showed fairly good contact ability as well - you can find reasons why each may struggle with contact as they move up levels, so they're not perfect players but they definitely had a mold last year.

    Jason Ross

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    5 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I also think its important to note all these names are some of the freakiest athletes in the MLs. Aaron Judge is so athletic he just put up a 10 WAR season mostly playing CF, for the AL WS rep, at 32. That’s the third time he leads the league in WAR, and maybe only injuries stopped 2023 from being a 4th. Paul Goldschmidt’s one of the greatest all around 1B ever, a perennial GG candidate who also could run the bases into his late 30s on top of being a great hitter. Ohtani’s an MVP caliber DH who also has like 15 career rWAR as a ML SP. Connecting Brethowr to these guys because he’s tall, still shiny, and has a longer swing (generally not considered good within the good/bad binary) is generous 

    I think you're missing the forrest through the trees, Tom. You'll notice I've never once said Brethowr is any of those players - only that long swings, don't necessarily eliminate a player. You're really misrepresenting my point here. The goal isn't to say "Ivan Brethowr is Paul Goldschmidt", it's to say "long swings aren't immediately disqualifying, so while his swing is long, we should be more holistic than to write him off for a single flaw". Why am I using these players? Because we have publicaly available statcast data for them  - sadly this is the group of people I kind of have to use. I think we're on my third or fourth time in the article and the comments saying that the likely outcome here is something far short of those players. 

    I think we're on the same page on the uphill battle Brethowr has. I just ask that you try to understand my point - I'm not saying, and I haven't said he's any of those players. I haven't connected him to them outside of the most tenuous connection - that tall players can succeed with long swings so there's more to the story than just "long swing = bad".

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    JBears79

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    1 hour ago, 1908_Cubs said:

    Yes! And a group of prospects who were all stat cast darlings. Cam Smtih, Cole Mathis, Ivan Brethowr, Edgar Alvarez, Cameron Sisneros all kind of fit this mold. Interestingly enough most of these players showed fairly good contact ability as well - you can find reasons why each may struggle with contact as they move up levels, so they're not perfect players but they definitely had a mold last year.

    Yeah. I loved the strat for midrounds. Find a tool, see if you can develop the player. I think we all know the Cubs were lacking a bit of power in the farm. Hopefully, one or two of these guys contributes in the long run somehow.

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    Stratos

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    On 2/25/2025 at 1:13 PM, 1908_Cubs said:

    If you've been following the Cubs during their opening week of Cactus League games, it's pretty likely you got to see Ivan Brethowr absolutely clobber a baseball 450 feet to deep left field.

    Looked like a bomb, but MLB GameDay says 382ft and 108 EV.  Was it really 450 ft?



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