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    Vladimir Guerrero Jr.-to-Cubs Rumors Risk Absurdity, on a Couple of Levels


    Matthew Trueblood

    The hot rumor of this week is that the Chicago Cubs might try to acquire the cover athlete for this year's edition of MLB: The Show. It's the kind of notion that inevitably gets fans excited, but it also has a familiar ring of ridiculousness.

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    For the third time in four years, the Cubs have their fans painted into a corner. As was true in 2021 and 2023, this team entered this season with some measure of expectation and hope, and with relatively high stakes. As a result, the team has done its best to stay in "buyer" mode as trade-deadline season approaches, and fans are casting about for season-saving external solutions. This week, that means Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Pete Alonso.

    Here's the thing: the Cubs are a 32-34 team. That's the exact same record the Blue Jays have. Yet, in the minds of rumor-mongers, the idea here is that the Cubs are buyers and the Jays are sellers. Although the NL Central is eminently more winnable than the AL East, that idea stands right on the precipice of absurdity. Guerrero is not a free agent until after 2025. The Blue Jays face no more pressure to trade him than the Cubs should feel to trade Cody Bellinger

    The Cubs have better playoff odds than do the Jays, according to FanGraphs, but it's a difference of degree (and relatively small degree), not a difference of kind. 

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    Using PECOTA from Baseball Prospectus, the two are in a virtual dead heat in terms of playoff odds. This is becoming an annual rite. Until the collapse that forced them to sell in 2021, the Cubs were treated like surefire buyers. That made sense at the time; it was the last gasp of the team's championship core. Still, even before they plunged into a losing streak that would have doomed anyone, that team felt like a paper tiger. Rumors that they would expend further resources to reinforce the group just felt out of place.

    Last season was an even more stark example. As late as July 20 or so, the Cubs were much more in a position to sell than to buy at the deadline, but rumors still focused on moves that would involve bringing in star-caliber players from teams who had better records than the Cubs did.

    This isn't hard to explain or understand. It's more fun to dream on acquiring stars and making splashes than on moves designed to improve a team's depth or ones that involve trading away short-term talent to build for the future. Still, it's emblematic of a strange problem that seems to plague Cubdom right now, from the ownership suite out to the bleacher seats. There's a bizarre sense among many people within the Cubs sphere that top-tier talent should always flow to the Cubs, no matter what the standings say or what other teams might be trying to do.

    During the offseason, this is slightly more plausible, although too many fans assume that other teams balanced on the line between going for it and rebuilding will happily slide to the latter side to accommodate the Cubs. As I've said several times, the Cubs should absolutely be more proactive in the trade market, and spend much more money in free agency. 

    With a season underway, though, the team is much more locked in. They can continue to seek external improvements, but only the incumbent options playing better can heal what ails the Cubs in any meaningful measure. More importantly, it's ludicrous to keep hoping that teams exactly as good (or bad, as the case may be) will spontaneously decide that the Cubs should get their best players--or that the Cubs, absent evidence that they're going to turn the corner, should be interested in paying what it would cost to get a player like Guerrero.

    You have to earn the right to be a big trade-deadline buyer. That means either having a hot start and proving yourself one of the best teams in the league, or coming into the season as a clear and complete favorite in your division or league. The Cubs haven't done either of those things in any season since 2019. Right now, it's not even clear that Guerrero (whose defensive value is nil and who has hit too many ground balls this year to access the raw power still evident in his game) would give this team that much of a boost. He has some of the same flaws and vulnerabilities that have made Seiya Suzuki and Ian Happ so frustratingly inconsistent during their time as linchpins of the Cubs lineup, and bringing him in would not only cost a huge amount of controllable talent, but muddy the playing time picture for Michael Busch, Bellinger, and others.

    Jed Hoyer's group can and should have internal discussions about any talented player who might be available. The Blue Jays are no more likely to talk to them about Guerrero than they are to talk to them about Bellinger, though, and if the Cubs or their fans don't like that, there's a simple (though not easy) solution: the front office needs to build a much better roster, and then that roster has to play better. Until then, it'll feel pretty silly when rumors like these pop up.

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    Bertz

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    Yeah I mean some of this is obviously Cubs = Clicks, but I feel like this rebuttal does ignore a lot of organizational health context

    https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/blue-jays

    The Blue Jays roster must completely turn over in the next 2.5 years.  They have 7 FAs this winter, 9 next winter, and 5 the year after that.  And this is not just the fringes of the roster this is basically everyone of consequence except Schneider and Berrios.  Most of that meat falls off the bone next winter with Vladito.

    The Cubs' situation is largely the opposite.  Very strong farm (#2 coming into the year), very little hitting FA the next two winters that you're going to miss, basically just Bellinger.  Decent crop of young MLB talent beyond guys who contributed to that farm ranking (Steele, Morel, Assad, Wesneski).

    Even if the Cubs and Jays are currently at the same spot with their MLB rosters, which I'm not sure I totally buy given the AL East of it all, it's very much a two ships passing deal.  Mark Shapiro is a small market GM at heart it's very believable that he chooses a soft reset over going all Dombrowski/Sabean and going full speed right over that organizational cliff.

    squally1313

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    2 hours ago, Matthew Trueblood said:

    He has some of the same flaws and vulnerabilities that have made Seiya Suzuki and Ian Happ so frustratingly inconsistent during their time as linchpins of the Cubs lineup

    The last time Guerrero had a monthly wRC below 93 (excepting the 7 games he played in July of 2020) was his rookie year. The guy hits, a lot, pretty much all the time. 

    Also, equivocating the Cubs and Blue Jays situation just because they have the same record/playoff probabilities right now seems like a real shortcut to a predetermined conclusion. And just saw the Bertz said most of what I wanted to say, better, so, yeah, just go with that. 

    Billy62

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    So if it is even plausible that the Cubs can trade for a big stick in their lineup, it is questionable only because Jed seems inconsistent in these scenarios, and he comes in second on some of these transactions. But that said, and he can pull the trigger and get Vlad Jr. or Alonso into a Cub uniform what does that mean for the team? While the offense has sputtered, it has shown some signs of waking up the last few games. Does the addition of any of these two guys add deeper problems to our strikeout rate? Does their acquisition mean the movement of somebody else, namely Happ, Busch, Morel, or Wisdom, who all even though they can produce do have some holes in their swings. So if another big hitter comes to us and they stay, I'm thinking its Schwarber, Bryant, Rizzo, Contreras and Baez all over again. Yes, a few laser beams and outright bombs to be sure, but still a lot of swing and miss, failing to advance runners and push across runs. So, for a few ohhhs and ahhhs, will this translate to winning ball games? All of this is just flowers for the scenery if we don't shore up our biggest concern......the bullpen. We have a couple of reliable arms, but we also have some guys who can't throw strikes consistently, and a couple of veterans that we are trying to re-tool late in their career to avoid the tearful inevitable. Perhaps an investment here makes more sense. Starting pitching got a boost as Imanaga returned to his early season form last start after a couple of rocky outings. He, Assad, and Ben Brown have been the most consistent, while we still are waiting for Steele to hit his stride. With Jordan Wicks healthy again, we have a starting rotation better than most, elite if Steele and Wicks can elevate their games. While Neris is getting the job done for the most part as our closer, it seems to almost always be a roller coaster ride. On paper this is still a solid team, arguably playoff caliber. Underachieving at the present for sure, but even so not solid enough to challenge for a championship, so maybe the addition of some new blood makes perfect sense. But where? I wish I had the answer. The fact is that this team is not broken, so you hesitate to try and fix it, then again maybe it needs fixing, and you have to bite the bullet. It was easier in 2014. That team was in trouble, here I am not sure what needs to be fixed first or if it needs to be fixed at all. The easiest solution is a big winning streak! What do you think boys? Fathers Day is coming up. Five or Six wins in a row would make me a happy camper. 🙂 Of course I'll stick with the team either way, loved them my whole life, just winning Cubs baseball is more fun than losing Cubs baseball. 



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