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  • The Departed: Who the Cubs Lost at the Trade Deadline


    Matt Ostrowski

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    The Chicago Cubs were busy leading up to the MLB trade deadline on Tuesday. They made minor moves, trading for pitchers Jose Cuas (from the Kansas City Royals) and Josh Roberson (from the Tampa Bay Rays). The big move, however, was acquiring Jeimer Candelario from the Washington Nationals.

    It was refreshing to see this front office go out and get some help for a team that is within a stone’s throw of a playoff berth. However, the cost wasn’t nothing. Let’s take a look at who the Cubs gave up, and what they might be missing today and going forward. 

    DJ Herz, LHP

    If there is one traded player who is most likely to come back to bite the Cubs, it’s Herz, who was starting games for Double-A Tennessee before being dealt. He’s striking out over 13 batters per 9 innings so far in his minor-league career, so the stuff is there. On the flip side, he is also walking over 5 hitters per 9 innings as a starter, and command issues often indicate that a player might be better-suited to relief work in the long term. If he is ever able to fix those command issues, his ceiling could be much higher. 

    Fangraphs lists Herz at 40+ future value, which means he projects as something like a lower-tier bullpen guy. The Cubs have four other pitchers in that tier at Fangraphs, so they likely felt like they could deal from a position of strength here. 


    Kevin Made, SS

    Made, the other player the Cubs gave up for Candelario, was playing shortstop for the High-A South Bend Cubs prior to the trade. He has increased his walk rate from 2.5 percent in his first season in A ball in 2021 to 10 percent this year. However, he has slugged just .366 in almost 1,000 career minor-league plate appearances. 

    Fangraphs also has Made in the 40+ future value tier, meaning he projects as a bench player long-term. If he can continue to improve with the bat as he has, he could have legitimate value going forward. 

    One important note on Made and Herz is that they are both eligible for the Rule 5 draft this offseason, according to Arizona Phil at the Cubs Reporter. This means that if the Cubs were not going to add them to their 40-man roster, they would have been available to any other team via the Rule 5 draft. Whether or not another team would have taken them, since in order to retain a Rule 5 draftee you have to leave them on your major league roster for the entire season, remains to be seen. But the Cubs likely traded two players on whom they were going to have to make a difficult decision this offseason anyway. 


    Nelson Velazquez, OF

    I am honestly a little sad to see Velazquez go, even if only for the good memory he gave us all with his go-ahead grand slam against the Mariners earlier this season. He is a major league-ready outfielder who just wasn’t going to see any significant playing time with the Cubs, who have both their right and left fielders locked up for the foreseeable future.

    Velazquez struggled in his cup of coffee with the big-league team last year, posting just an 87 wRC+, according to Fangraphs, and despite the memorable moment mentioned above, he still hasn’t shown consistent ability to produce above AA, as he has just a 95 wRC+ with AAA Iowa this season. 

    The 24-year-old is striking out over 30 percent of the time in his minor-league career, and if he can manage to trim that figure considerably, he could have a long major-league career because of the power in his bat. As mentioned before, though, the Cubs just aren’t the team to get him those valuable reps. 


    Manny Rodriguez, RHP

    Rodriguez, who turns 27 in a month, pitched 13 2/3 innings in the majors last year and managed a 3.29 ERA. His peripherals were much less kind, as his 4.87 FIP suggested he was a bit lucky. 

    He hasn’t made it back to the big-league team yet this year, but he has struck out over 13 batters per 9 innings in Des Moines, and his 2.93 FIP suggests he should be preventing runs at a much better rate than his 4.42 ERA. 

    He’s got good stuff, and certainly could carve out a career in a major-league bullpen somewhere, but he wasn’t on the Cubs 40-man roster, and if they weren’t going to add him, he would have been a minor-league free agent this offseason anyway, as this is his sixth season in the minors with the Cubs. 


    Adrian Sampson, RHP

    Sampson, who was a valuable member of the 2022 Cubs rotation, never quite found his footing in 2023. He has been injured for much of it, as he had surgery on a torn meniscus in May, but even when he has pitched, he’s pitched to a 9.32 ERA in 28 minor-league innings. 

    If Sampson can return to his 2022 form, the Cubs could end up regretting this, and if there is any organization that can get him back to that form, it’s the Rays. Given that he is 31 years old and coming off of knee surgery, though, I would imagine the Cubs have reason and data points to believe that his days as an effective pitcher are done. 


    Trey Mancini, 1B

    As tough as it is to say for someone who is so easy to root for for so many reasons, it was about time for the Cubs to cut bait with Trey Mancini, and they did just that on Tuesday afternoon, as they designated him for assignment. 

    All numbers on Mancini for this season suggest he is cooked. His 74 wRC+ on FanGraphs means he was 26 percent worse than a league-average hitter, and that poor performance is supported by his batted-ball data. His expected slugging percentage and batting average on Baseball Savant are both in the bottom 10 percent of the league. 

    Poor performance at the plate plus poor defense combined to make Mancini worth -0.8 WAR on FanGraphs. He has more recently been deployed exclusively against left-handed pitching, but even then, he was hitting just .223/.306/.351 against southpaws, and his career numbers don’t suggest he has ever been someone to hit left-handed pitching much better than right-handed pitching. 

    I’d love to see Mancini extend his career a bit here, but the Cubs just can’t afford to be giving him plate appearances anymore. With the acquisition of Candelario, they needed a roster spot, and Mancini was the logical subtraction. Candelario and Cody Bellinger will take all of the playing time at first now, and between Candelario, Patrick Wisdom, Nick Madrigal, Miguel Amaya, and Yan Gomes, the Cubs have significantly better options at both third base and designated hitter against left-handed pitching, as well. 

    Conclusion

    The Cubs certainly lost some value with all of their moves, but they are definitely palatable losses. Mancini and Sampson are, in my opinion, unlikely to be around the big leagues for much longer. Rodriguez and Velazquez both have potential, but were unlikely to hit that potential with the Cubs. While Herz and Made both have lots of development to go, and are interesting prospects, the Cubs cleared a potential 40-man roster logjam, and neither of them were in the top tier of the Cubs farm system.

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    Made is the one that may haunt the Cubs. Hertz is a future relief pitcher if he can learn to throw a strike. I think Nelly will be bumping around the majors for quite a while. Hopefully, he doesn't become a Cub killer. 

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    This deadline was a success for me. We didn’t over commit and we significantly improved the team in one move. We did exactly as much as we should have.

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    7 minutes ago, Y2J said:

    This deadline was a success for me. We didn’t over commit and we significantly improved the team in one move. We did exactly as much as we should have.

    An actual major league reliever would have been nice. 

    Bednar would have been great for this and for future years, but I have to believe Pitt's asking price for him was sky high. 

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    2 minutes ago, Tim said:

    An actual major league reliever would have been nice. 

    Bednar would have been great for this and for future years, but I have to believe Pitt's asking price for him was sky high. 

    Bednar not moving at all makes me relieved that we didn’t get him. 

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    10 minutes ago, Tim said:

    An actual major league reliever would have been nice. 

    Bednar would have been great for this and for future years, but I have to believe Pitt's asking price for him was sky high. 

    Could have easily got Sewald as a pivot move 

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    37 minutes ago, Tim said:

    An actual major league reliever would have been nice. 

    Bednar would have been great for this and for future years, but I have to believe Pitt's asking price for him was sky high. 

    Not grabbing a lefty is going to bite them sooner or later. Anthony Kay is just not good. What would a couple months of Bruce Suter possibly cost? Maybe a guy in the low 20s? Who cares?

     

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    7 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

    Not grabbing a lefty is going to bite them sooner or later. Anthony Kay is just not good. What would a couple months of Bruce Suter possibly cost? Maybe a guy in the low 20s? Who cares?

     

    Really surprised they didn't. "different look", divisional familiarity, versatile (can open and swing/multi-inning).

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    20 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

    Not grabbing a lefty is going to bite them sooner or later. Anthony Kay is just not good. What would a couple months of Bruce Suter possibly cost? Maybe a guy in the low 20s? Who cares?

     

    Be weird to have a dead guy on the mound.

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    I would have been sadder about losing Herz, but for the fact that he'd been in the system for nearly 4 years and never ironed out his control issues.  The potential is there, and maybe the Nats have the key to unlocking his potential, but I got the feeling the Cubs were going to leave him off the 40 man this offseason.

    LHRP is going to be an issue for this team going forward, though.  The only possibility I can think of is shifting Jordan Wicks into a relief role down the stretch to keep him under his IP/Pitch limits while getting him major league experience, but this team has been really weird about giving regular playing time to rookie pitchers.

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    I hate saying this for both Herz and Made who seem like fine dudes, but they ended up in a really horrible organization for their development.  There's many out there who highly question how the Nationals work with and develop their young players.  I hope for their sakes they succeed, but it'd probably be more likely if they were in a better organization designed to help them out.  Between the two, Made is the more likely one to succeed, IMO.  Herz doesn't seem to have the upside to start; he's not really added any velocity (a thing the Cubs do well) and he's struggling still on command (a lot of this to do with the funky delivery)...so Herz is probably a BP arm but his fastball/changeup combo isn't really a strong 1-inning combo.  Made, at least, has some upside as a starter.  He's a bit sketchy to stick at SS, and the bat has stagnated, but he's got some upside he can recover.  There was a time and a place I was really high on Made, but he's kind of fallen down a bit.  But I'll be rooting for both to do well...just not if they ever play against the Cubs.

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    Damn yo, didn't realize how far Herz had fallen in perception. He's a great example of the fickleness of prospecting and how Player Development is mostly just a buzzword to hide the more turnkey agenda of the day. Here you have a guy who barely pitched in HS due to playing two other sports, had his first pro season wiped out by the pandemic, was hilariously getting Chris Sale comparisons the year after as he feasted on the low minors, has no major injuries to worry about, throws as much as anyone in the system since joining, and a couple years later despite reaching the upper minors at 21 and having success at 22 has now been relegated to possibly single inning reliever and not even a good one. I get it - was calling him a relief prospect when he was getting those Chris Sale comps within the fanbase - but these failed but durable, active MiLB starters are a good bucket for high quality relief (and he'll get plenty of opps to start if healthy)

    This is all to say that the article is right and he's - really by far - the best prospect they gave up. A standout athletic batmissing lefty with a signature offspeed, some funk, no injury issues, surprising aptitude, in a league that knows how to cultivate velo, and already doing fine against AA hitters? He'll get what he most needs out of the Nats org: innings and some time to take some lumps

    I don't want to sound too crude here but Made's pretty terrible, more a nominal than real prospect

     

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    37 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Damn yo, didn't realize how far Herz had fallen in perception. He's a great example of the fickleness of prospecting and how Player Development is mostly just a buzzword to hide the more turnkey agenda of the day. Here you have a guy who barely pitched in HS due to playing two other sports, had his first pro season wiped out by the pandemic, was hilariously getting Chris Sale comparisons the year after as he feasted on the low minors, has no major injuries to worry about, throws as much as anyone in the system since joining, and a couple years later despite reaching the upper minors at 21 and having success at 22 has now been relegated to possibly single inning reliever and not even a good one. I get it - was calling him a relief prospect when he was getting those Chris Sale comps within the fanbase - but these failed but durable, active MiLB starters are a good bucket for high quality relief (and he'll get plenty of opps to start if healthy)

    This is all to say that the article is right and he's - really by far - the best prospect they gave up. A standout athletic batmissing lefty with a signature offspeed, some funk, no injury issues, surprising aptitude, in a league that knows how to cultivate velo, and already doing fine against AA hitters? He'll get what he most needs out of the Nats org: innings and some time to take some lumps

    I don't want to sound too crude here but Made's pretty terrible, more a nominal than real prospect

     

    The walk rate, and by extension his limited IP/GS even with durability and top line ERA success, is pretty disqualifying to being useful as a SP though.  Could make the control/command leap still, and would still have utility as a bullpen arm of some caliber depending on how the control/command improves and stuff plays up, but he still needs to make some leap to avoid the bullpen ceiling which matters a lot in conversations about trade value.

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    8 hours ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    The walk rate, and by extension his limited IP/GS even with durability and top line ERA success, is pretty disqualifying to being useful as a SP though.  Could make the control/command leap still, and would still have utility as a bullpen arm of some caliber depending on how the control/command improves and stuff plays up, but he still needs to make some leap to avoid the bullpen ceiling which matters a lot in conversations about trade value.

    I’m not caught up in the trade value, the Cubs did good. They don’t have the innings moving forward and 40 roster spot  Herz will need over the offseason. Huge win that he was even someone with trade value

    The way I sees it for Herz: walking MiLB hitters is more in line with expectations for essentially a raw HS athlete turned pro pitcher than being healthy and productive making starts in AA at a solid age with some contact management and bat missing. He’s in a good spot, a likely MLer with room to get physically stronger, opportunity to contribute in a variety of roles soon in an org with innings all over. As random non-first pitching prospects go there’s worse, probably as likely to be a good starter at any point as Ben Brown even 

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    7 hours ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I’m not caught up in the trade value, the Cubs did good. They don’t have the innings moving forward and 40 roster spot  Herz will need over the offseason. Huge win that he was even someone with trade value

    The way I sees it for Herz: walking MiLB hitters is more in line with expectations for essentially a raw HS athlete turned pro pitcher than being healthy and productive making starts in AA at a solid age with some contact management and bat missing. He’s in a good spot, a likely MLer with room to get physically stronger, opportunity to contribute in a variety of roles soon in an org with innings all over. As random non-first pitching prospects go there’s worse, probably as likely to be a good starter at any point as Ben Brown even 

    High school pitchers aren’t automatically wild. 

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