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    Kyle Tucker Trade Rumors: The Theory and Praxis of Bringing Astros Slugger to Cubs in Blockbuster Deal


    Matthew Trueblood

    Jed Hoyer doesn't shell out prospect hauls for one-year rental stars, any more than he ponies up $300 million for free agent studs. Does that mean you should count the Cubs out if this superstar hits the trade block?

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    One year ago, the Yankees traded for Juan Soto, giving up a handsome package in exchange for a single season of the services of one of the best hitters of his generation. It was a less daunting deal than it could have been, though, for the simple reason that there was just that one year of control to be had. Soto was, as everyone knew, headed for a highly lucrative free agency, and he and Scott Boras were not going to be dissuaded from that path. That dampened the trade market slightly. For instance, it chased the Cubs away from any serious effort to sign him, before they even considered one.

    As cautiously as Jed Hoyer approaches huge outlays for top-tier free agents, he's even more reluctant to splurge in the less renewable currency of young talent, by trading top prospects for players over whom he'll have only short-term control. Some players come at a discount because they won't be around long, and such players can hold some appeal for Hoyer and the Cubs, but they're not looking to deal for players at steep prices if they stand to lose them in short order. As the Dodgers eventually did, the team would surely have sought an extension with Tyler Glasnow as a condition of the trade, had they been the ones to pry him away from the Rays last winter.

    All of that is to say this: If Kyle Tucker of the Astros is not open to an extension this winter in lieu of hitting free agency next fall, then the Cubs are wildly unlikely to acquire him. Reports from the Houston beat at the Winter Meetings indicate that the Astros are lacking clear marching orders from ownership in terms of their 2025 payroll (wonder what that's like, sounds terrible), and that they're open to moving one of Tucker and fellow impending free agent, left-handed starter Framber Valdez. Both players are due significant salaries in their final year of team control, anyway, so moving them would give the team at least a modicum of financial flexibility, but the Astros also have one of the league's worst farm systems, and a blockbuster deal involving either Tucker or Valdez could help them replenish it, This is not, in other words, a Mookie Betts-type situation, where clearing salary will be the sole motivator in a trade and it might be possible to acquire a superstar at a deep discount. Tucker, should be traded, will command a top prospect or two in exchange.

    Still, it's possible to imagine the Cubs jumping into that fray. Tucker is not a Boras client; he's represented by Excel Sports Management. Quietly, that group can also be tough to hammer out pre-free agency extensions with. They've taken clients like Dansby Swanson, Jason Heyward, George Springer, and Andrew Benintendi all the way to free agency recently. Then again: Dansby Swanson, Jason Heyward. Another couple of Excel clients: Jameson Taillon, Joc Pederson. The Cubs have a solid relationship with that group. Plus, there are counterexamples to the above. Paul Goldschmidt and Pablo López are Excel clients who recently signed extensions with teams shortly after being acquired by those clubs in trades. 

    So, let's imagine Tucker is open to an extension if traded to a team willing to spend big enough to keep him. What would such a deal look like—the trade, and then the contract attached to it?

    The Astros have a tall, slugging left-handed right fielder who will turn 28 in January; who has made the All-Star team in each of the last three seasons; who owns a Gold Glove Award and a Silver Slugger Award; and who has batted .280/.362/.527 over the last four seasons, with 112 home runs and 80 steals in 91 attempts. He's not Soto, but he's a better player than anyone on the Cubs. In fact, he's better than anyone the Cubs have had since the peaks of Kris Bryant and Javier Báez—but he's younger than Bryant was at that stage of his career, and has a much more well-rounded skill set than Báez did. 

    In short, Tucker will cost whoever trades for him a hefty return. The Cubs' only refuge from the high expected cost is that they might be able to cover part of the value by swapping him out for a similar (though clearly inferior) player. Cody Bellinger has already been linked with the Astros in trade rumors, and while Houston's uncertain payroll situation makes it impossible that they would take on the bulk of Bellinger's contract, the Cubs could offer them a square deal: Bellinger and $15 million, such that they effectively take Tucker at the price of Bellinger and give Houston Bellinger at the price of Tucker. Then, they can add value from there to compensate Houston both for the difference between the projected production of the two players and the risk Houston will assume of Bellinger opting into his 2026 salary.

    That extra cost wouldn't be small. We're still talking about one player from the top four of the Cubs' top prospects list, and another from the third tier of the system. Houston could get more than that, maybe, from the right buyer without an onerous contract swap to include, and there's always a risk that they would prefer the cleaner deal. The theory here, though, is that Houston would pounce on this structure, because they're not looking to reload, retool, or take a step back in 2025. They want to continue their dominance of the AL West and push toward another World Series; they just acknowledge that they might need to trade one of their soon-to-be-free-agent stars to ensure the staying power of their hegemony. Bellinger is a better player for 2025 than they'd be likely to get from any other suitor in a Tucker trade.

    There is a clear difference favoring Tucker in terms of projections for 2025. Here are Steamer's forecasts for each:

    • Bellinger: 582 PA, .258/.320/.430, 109 wRC+
    • Tucker: 669 PA, .276/.366/.510, 148 wRC+

    Tucker is also the better defensive right fielder, even if Bellinger is probably the player you'd rather have if forced to use them in center field or at first base. Tucker is the better baserunner, too. There's a substantial gap here. Still, you wouldn't want to give up (say) Matt Shaw and Brandon Birdsell for one year's worth of that upgrade, especially given that you'd take on the heavier financial burden in that one season. Houston could get good talent elsewhere, though, so to get them engaged on a deal that clears Bellinger's money for 2026 and gets you the bump from Bellinger to Tucker in 2025, you'd have to offer a deal at that painfully high level. To justify that, naturally, you'd need to have Tucker not just for one year, but for the long run.

    Getting Tucker to eschew free agency would be an extremely expensive business. He has just one good comparator In the recent past, as a left-hitting outfielder playing at such a high level from ages 24-27: Christian Yelich, who signed a nine-year deal worth $215 million with the Brewers in early 2020. Yelich, though, was two more years from free agency than was Tucker, thanks to a previous extension signed with the Marlins before he was traded to Milwaukee. We can loosely peg the deal the Cubs might cobble together to the one Yelich signed almost five years ago, but it would have to be scaled up significantly.

    In all likelihood, a deal that would keep Tucker in Cubbie blue beyond 2025 would end up running 10 years and $340 million. He'd get roughly $16 million in 2025, then $35 million per year for nine more seasons, followed by a mutual option with a bulky buyout to push a little extra money out to the end of the deal. Yelich's contract included deferrals, but Tucker is in a strong position to resist those. The Cubs would have to be willing to go far beyond what they've done for any player in the past. Tucker and his representatives would have to be willing to forego the possibility that the Yankees would give him closer to $450 million one year later.

    If this all sounds wildly unlikely, you're getting the right idea. Tucker and the Cubs make a smart fit, but an improbable one. The tendencies of the Chicago front office, the fog of uncertainty under which Houston is working, and the multiple player evaluations the two sides would have to match up on make the logistics of a deal difficult. The Yankees might just trade for Tucker, instead, the same way they dealt for Soto last winter. They're not as fussy about keeping control when the opportunity to land a superstar arises as the Cubs are. Still, unless and until moves that preclude this one take place, it'll be worth keeping an eye on the Astros and the Cubs. They make strange but potentially fruitful bedfellows this winter.

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    Rex Buckingham

    Posted

    If they're confident in an extension, I don't think there's a prospect the Cubs have that I wouldn't include for Tucker. 

    Bertz

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    Yeah Tucker feels exceedingly unlikely.  I just don't think those kinds of resources are going to be put towards the offense currently.  A few things that do give me some pause

    - There's a seeming insistence on clearing out RF.  We all know about the Bellinger rumors, and you can easily argue those make sense without a big replacement coming in.  What makes far less sense is the Athletic reporting that they would have looked at moving Suzuki if a Bellinger deal wasn't feasible.  Dealing Suzuki, or honestly even considering it, really only makes sense if you're trying to slash payroll or there's someone you're trying to make room for

    - A couple of Jed's comments last night can be interpreted as pointing to bringing in a big bat.

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    “I think it’s safe to say that happening is most likely to happen via trade,” Hoyer said about changing the offensive group.


     

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    But, yeah, if there’s areas we can clearly upgrade, I think we’d look to do that. One of the challenges is we have a lot of good players, so in order to upgrade over those players, you have to clear that bar by a fair amount on certain guys in order to make the move justified.”

     

     

    Jason Ross

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    If there's one thing that makes you think the Cubs would be invested in this, it's that I think Kyle Tucker has the right profile of the kind of player the Cubs shell out the contract for. 

    • Kyle Tucker is a plus fielder based on DRS and a pretty neutral fielder based on OAA - he's not a DH
    • Kyle Tucker has a great approach. He's someone who has a good hit tool - this has been a hallmark of many Cub offensive finds., 
    • Kyle Tucker's profile feels like it ages well. He has wonderful barrel control, and fits into that "pure" hitter. He's the kind of guy you could see putting up a 115 wRC+ in the later years of his career still
    • He's 28. It's not like we're looking at someone well into his 30's. 
    • He could eventually slide to 1b. He's logged some 1b time - it gives him a pathway as he gets older that isn't straight DH

    It's never easy to predict anything and it's always more likely that a trade doesn't happen than does. But the quotes from Hoyer are interesting as well:

    • His comment about changing the offense through trade made it feel less like "we can change it by subtracting" but by adding. 
    • The Cubs remain steadfast in the trade market.
    • The way Hoyer phrased not going after Soto made it seem like the Cubs would be willing to spend big sometime. You can take that as a cop out (and it probably was more so than anything) but it could fit in with a Kyle Tucker trade - as I said, I think his profile fits. If the Cubs were going to pay a guy, Tuck feels right up the alley. 

    We'll see. But if you want to tea-leaf read, you can find where maybe it's a good fit. I fully expect Tucker to not end up in Chicago. But it doesn't feel crazy. The Cubs have been fairly insistent, it feels, on moving Bellinger. Perhaps, just maybe, the plan has been to run at Tucker.

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    Transmogrified Tiger

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    Tucker would certainly qualify as the big swing many have been hoping to see from Jed.  I think it's probably more wishful thinking, but there are some breadcrumbs that it could be something to come to fruition.  As mentioned upthread Tucker is a great target and doesn't have red flags that might make Jed more gunshy, his current team is decidedly not going to have serious extension talks, and he's not a Boras client so if that's something he wants there's a path to trade + extension. 

    On the other hand, the Astros seem like they're not eager to give him away and are looking for a soft reboot, plus as an OF he'll have no shortage of suitors.  Does a deal have to require a Busch or Paredes to get done?  If you're doing that plus sending Bellinger away so you can take on Tucker's 15 million arb estimate, do you have the resources to make the rest of the moves you want to make plus adding a starting caliber position player?  What about if the extension gets over the line and you've effectively gained AAV over Paredes + Bellinger in the process?

    I'm left with thinking this is a good enough fit that I could see this being where Jed tries to plant his flag, but also that there's enough hurdles that pulling it off would increase the complexity and difficulty of the remainder of the offseason to avoid diluting Tucker's impact too much.  

    squally1313

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    I'll continue to beat the drum that if you really want Kyle Tucker (and you should, he's fantastic), the Astros have a big hole at third base they are trying to replace and we have a third baseman with probably the best batted ball profile imaginable for their ballpark. A lot of people here are chomping at the bit to send off our 4 win 2B to then move Shaw to a position he didn't play much last year, I'm here suggesting we move our 3-3.5 win 3B (albeit with an extra year of control) to pick up what would clearly be our best player instantly. You do that move (which allows you to hold onto most, if not all of your prospect base, three years of Paredes is probably worth more than one year of Tucker), you move Bellinger for a starter (call it Castillo), and you've made clear upgrades in right field and the rotation while downgrading third base. 

    squally1313

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    4 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    Does a deal have to require a Busch or Paredes to get done?  If you're doing that plus sending Bellinger away so you can take on Tucker's 15 million arb estimate, do you have the resources to make the rest of the moves you want to make plus adding a starting caliber position player?  What about if the extension gets over the line and you've effectively gained AAV over Paredes + Bellinger in the process?

    My back of the envelope math has Paredes for Tucker and Bellinger for Castillo as a net $8m cash loss, while filling the other starting spot you're trying to fill. That leaves....$20ish million? For the Kelly contract, a bench bat, and the bullpen. It's a little tight, and obviously depends on how you view the Bellinger to Tucker upgrade vs the Paredes to Shaw downgrade. But even a pessimistic view on those two deals from an offensive standpoint would say it's neutral at worse, and picking up a starter like Castillo for net $8m is probably better than you're going to do elsewhere. 

    Obviously, you have to actually make the moves to get it done. But in a video game world, I make those moves every time. 

    Transmogrified Tiger

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    Just now, squally1313 said:

    My back of the envelope math has Paredes for Tucker and Bellinger for Castillo as a net $8m cash loss, while filling the other starting spot you're trying to fill. That leaves....$20ish million? For the Kelly contract, a bench bat, and the bullpen. It's a little tight, and obviously depends on how you view the Bellinger to Tucker upgrade vs the Paredes to Shaw downgrade. But even a pessimistic view on those two deals from an offensive standpoint would say it's neutral at worse, and picking up a starter like Castillo for net $8m is probably better than you're going to do elsewhere. 

    Obviously, you have to actually make the moves to get it done. But in a video game world, I make those moves every time. 

    That 20ish million all goes to Tucker if extended.  Maybe you can delay the start of the deal(a little odd since he’d need to agree to arb terms first), but that creates friction by adding another post prime year which Jed(and objective evaluations) won’t like.

     If you don’t have an extension it feels like a ton of risky chair shuffling for not an enormous upgrade.

    CubinNY

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    Tucker is perfect for the Cubs but not on a short contract. The biggest hurdle is Jed/Tom's unwillingness to cement money long term. It makes too much sense to get Tucker if he's gettable, but I think they need to extend him. 

    I don't have a prospect that I wouldn't include. 

    squally1313

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    5 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    That 20ish million all goes to Tucker if extended.  Maybe you can delay the start of the deal(a little odd since he’d need to agree to arb terms first), but that creates friction by adding another post prime year which Jed(and objective evaluations) won’t like.

     If you don’t have an extension it feels like a ton of risky chair shuffling for not an enormous upgrade.

    1. I agree that impact is pretty muted if it's just a 2025 reshuffle, but I still think it's an upgrade (Tucker>>>Bellinger, Castillo>>Assad, Shaw<<Paredes from a stacking WAR perspective, and going beyond that analysis you get the elite middle of the order bat and give your top prospect a clear opening to be the minimum salary producer they've needed for years). Tucker is obviously the prize, but we still need reliable pitching and getting someone like Castillo is huge.

    2. I know the players/agents don't care about the luxury tax and whatever else, but if I'm Jed I get Tucker through arbitration, stay under the tax line this year to reset, get Tucker on a monster extension starting 2026, blow through the limit next year in what should be our prime contention year (along with 2025), and then let all those contracts with 2 years left fall off and pivot from there around Tucker, PCA, etc. 

    Transmogrified Tiger

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    Just now, TomtheBombadil said:

    Ngl guys I genuinely get a kick out of - even when talking cool horsefeathers like going after Kyle Tucker, knowing the farm is both rated high and known for depth - Cubs fans can’t help but kick around undercutting the ML talent making way for prospects. Like what even is the Astros’ motivation for trading the uber skilled 2something best player on the roster for an arb eligible 3B basically the same age? A “soft reboot” that moves Kyle Tucker is not going to be so soft for them and notsodeepdown I bet we all kinda know that intuitively 

    I would love it if that deal were prospects instead, but the Astros still have a core under contract and are making noise about signing Bregman or a similar investment.  If they love an Alcantara or Ballesteros that’s great, but especially given the likely competition for Tucker I think it’s very possible a completed deal requires subtracting from the MLB team.

    squally1313

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Ngl guys I genuinely get a kick out of - even when talking cool horsefeathers like going after Kyle Tucker, knowing the farm is both rated high and known for depth - Cubs fans can’t help but kick around undercutting the ML talent making way for prospects. Like what even is the Astros’ motivation for trading the uber skilled 2something best player on the roster for an arb eligible 3B basically the same age? A “soft reboot” that moves Kyle Tucker is not going to be so soft for them and notsodeepdown I bet we all kinda know that intuitively 

    It's three years of Paredes at like....$20m total vs one year of Tucker at $16m. They lose 2-3 wins in 2025 but get an asset back for 2026-2027 when the implication is that they aren't signing Tucker long term (because why float his name out there otherwise). 

    Jason Ross

    Posted

    Just now, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    I would love it if that deal were prospects instead, but the Astros still have a core under contract and are making noise about signing Bregman or a similar investment.  If they love an Alcantara or Ballesteros that’s great, but especially given the likely competition for Tucker I think it’s very possible a completed deal requires subtracting from the MLB team.

    I'll say this: I think Kevin Alcantara is a prime Houston Astros guy. Just looking at what they've seemed to like in the OF - there's a history of tallish, athletic OF'ers...tallish, athletic CF'ers (Springer/Siri) too. Alcantara feels on the surface to be very "Astro". And with a team lacking some OF depth, I can see them being interested .

    That's not to say I think the Cubs can get away with it being Alcantara and "stuff" but that I suspect that's a name that gets brought up if the two teams sit down.

    Transmogrified Tiger

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Is that such a hold up given that Shaw’s being handed a starting job here? Alvarez is still a great hitter but should they bet on him still being in the meat of his prime? The very friendly extension he’s under doesn’t really commit them to never taking a year off. The younger guys like Pena and Diaz make for a different kind of roster than the juggernaut era they’re leaving. Otherwise they’ve got 40 YO Altuve, Framber approaching FA, Pressly approaching FA…

    Maybe!  Maybe they think one or more of the AAA guys is plug and play, and they really like Wicks.  Maybe some other suitor has a player they like even more where that potential trade off isn't necessary.  I think most people in this thread would agree that it would be preferred to not trade Paredes or Busch.  I also think it's very possible if not likely that in order to get a Tucker trade over the line that line needs to be crossed.

     

    Side note: See how this is a much more interesting and useful thread of conversation than just proclaiming everyone who had an opinion on what the *Astros* would require in trade are sheeple prospect huggers

    Jason Ross

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Agreed and to add: Shaw’s also their kind of player. Bregman and Altuve were two short lever kings, at least one is going to the HoF

    Yeah, I can see Shaw carrying a lot of water here. He fits a bunch of the Astros infield prospects - strong hit tools, good power. I do wonder if his stance and tendency of pushing over pulling as much puts a bit of a damper on the Astros thoughts - with the Crawford boxes, someone who's more pull heavy could influence them. They also have Zack Dezenzo who they've rocketed through the system and has played part time at third. I won't pretend to be a Dezenzo expert, how he stacks up defensively and in his actual underlying processes....beyond me. But we can play that came with like Zach Cole in the OF as well and whether or not the Astros love him internally. 

    I think the broader point is that I can see where the Cubs and the Astros have some real similar philosophies. They like similarly profiled prospects. They both have an aversion to long term contracts (why Tucker is available, potentially). It feels like this is a situation where they either make great partners or terrible ones.

    CubinNY

    Posted

    This Tucker thread has me excited for the first time this offseason. I hope the Cubs are interested. He's exactly the player they should target and extend. 

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    Rcal10

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    38 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

    This Tucker thread has me excited for the first time this offseason. I hope the Cubs are interested. He's exactly the player they should target and extend. 

    I am sure they are interested. But can they actually pull the trigger and at what cost? And can they then keep him here?

    CubinNY

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    I am sure they are interested. But can they actually pull the trigger and at what cost? And can they then keep him here?

    You sound like the narrator of Ancient Aliens. 

    The answer to all those questions is,ancient aliens yes GIF yes. 

    squally1313

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    I am sure they are interested. But can they actually pull the trigger and at what cost? And can they then keep him here?

     

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    Bertz

    Posted

    Just now, squally1313 said:

     

    I want you to know this got a legitimate laugh out loud from me.

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    Bertz

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    Alright let's try and game this out

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    - Cubs send Cody Bellinger to the Yankees for Trent Grisham

    - Astros send Tucker and Pressly to the Cubs for Grisham, their choice of Caissie/Alcantara, and any two of Wicks/Assad/Wesneski/Birdsell.  They take the ~$25M savings and immediately use it to re-sign Bregman

    - Cubs send Nico Hoerner to the Mariners for Luis Castillo, Gregory Santos, and whatever prospect freight is required to balance out the deal.  I'd actually prefer higher talent further from the majors a la the Darvish trade

    - Cubs spend their last $10-15M on the bench, which has to include Carson Kelly.  Let's call it Kelly, Josh Rojas and Manny Margot

    Lineup:

    Happ/Swanson/Suzuki

    Tucker/Paredes/Busch

    Amaya/Shaw/PCA

    Bench:

    Kelly, Rojas, Margot, TBD who wins a spot in ST

    Rotation:

    Steele, Castillo, Shota, Taillon, Boyd

    Bullpen:

    Pressly/Hodge/Santos

    Pearson/Merryweather/Miller/Morgan

    Whoever of Wicks/Assad/Wesneski is left

    That bench sucks until multiple kids force their way up, but otherwise this team can ball.  That pitching staff especially has a chance to be smothering.

    Bertz

    Posted

    Just now, TomtheBombadil said:

    At the risk of this post reading more hostile than it is: please read this out loud. Why trade Tucker, for cheap, and then turn around to pay a half decade older player? Optics? This scenario as always seems specifically designed so Cubs don’t move too popular a prospect but really really fans “should” be mentally prepared to move Shaw + Alcantara + Birdsell to get the kind of talent (including bonus tons of experience) Tucker and Pressly represent 

    The Astros have explicitly talked about how much of a priority it is to re-sign Bregman.  That may be platitudes, and there will certainly be limits to where/how they're willing to make it work, but "we want Bregman back" and "Tucker is theoretically available" are both matter of public record.

    We Got The Whole 9

    Posted

    They can also get Bregman for like 60% of the cost and a heap of prospects for Tucker 



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