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    Do the Cubs Have a Chicago Problem?


    Brandon Glick

    Following Ken Rosenthal’s report that the San Francisco Giants are having issues luring players to their franchise because of a contentious reputation surrounding the city, some have wondered if other franchises are facing the same fate. With a lack of activity defining the Cubs’ offseason so far, is it possible that Chicago has posed similar problems for Chicago?

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    First, it's worth checking out if you haven’t seen the report yet. It’s a fascinating discussion that re-emphasizes the human element of the tidal wave of transactions throughout the year. 

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict that most around here have effusive praise for Chicago; hell, I live in New York nowadays, and I still tell everyone who asks that it doesn’t even belong in the same conversation as the Windy City. Chicago has so much to offer to anyone and everyone that it’s hard to believe players would consciously hold it against the Cubs for playing there. 

    I won’t pull up crime statistics or engage with political talking points here. They are important topics that deserve our undivided attention, and they’d obscure the smaller discussion we’re having now. 

    Data points are pointing both ways on this. Shohei Ohtani reportedly didn’t even visit the Cubs during his free agency saga, maybe because he knew he wanted to remain in Los Angeles with the Dodgers from the onset. 

    Dansby Swanson repeatedly said how much he wanted to come to Chicago after signing with the Cubs, though perhaps he was merely incentivized to do so because his wife, Mallory, is a star forward for the Chicago Red Stars of the National Women’s Soccer League.  

    It’s hard to pinpoint any consensus on a broad topic, especially given that a player’s decision of where to play is rooted in personal preference. Players - both as Cubs and as Cubs’ opponents - have routinely lauded the Cubs faithful as among the best fans in baseball. 

    Though it’s practically impossible not to engage in confirmation bias with such a statement, it feels grounded in some reality. The Cubs routinely rank near the top of attendance rankings year in and year out, regardless of whether they’re World Series contenders or amid another rebuild. 

    The surrounding area of Wrigley Field, particularly Wrigleyville, is often cited by players as one of their favorite places in the city. It’s relatively serene, and the Chicagoans are usually respectful toward players and their privacy. Remember when Ben Zobrist rode his bike, in full uniform, to a game at Wrigley?

    Not to bury the lede, but winning matters, too, especially for older free agents. Though the Cubs have had some really, really (really) high-highs over the last decade, they’ve sandwiched that window of contention with two separate rebuilds. For a team in such a big market, that kind of rapid vacillation between the elite contenders and bottom-feeders of the league could be a huge turn-off to guys who are singularly motivated by winning. 

    Again, there is so much more to say in this conversation. Illinois income tax rates, North Side vs. South Side benefits (and drawbacks), the political leanings of Chicago, the harsh winters, and a near-infinite myriad of other subjects factor into the at-large discussion. For the sake of this article - and keeping it within the context of the report on the Giants - it’s fair to say that Chicago, for all of its unique features, also will rub certain players the wrong way. 

    Of course, the same can be said about any city. And, not for nothing, money often talks most during the pursuit of players. A player may not be in love with coming to Chicago, but if the Cubs’ are the highest bidder for their services, their attitude might change quickly. 

    Now, if only the Cubs would flex their financial might and spend some darn money.

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    CubinNY

    Posted

    It’s horsefeathers. Pure steaming and piled high. 

    CubinNY

    Posted

    I'm going to rant here, so pardon me. 

    MAGA brain worms have come to NSBB. Some high school-educated multi-millionaire Christofasist doesn't want to play in SF because of the gays and the fact that he might have to be inconvenienced at the sight of an unhoused person goes squawking off to Roesnthall. So instead of investigating the facts of the matter and considering the source, he writes a clickbait story about players not wanting to play in SF. It's a political statement not borne out by facts, but by feelings. 

    Now another clickbait article gets written for this site based on nothing but a need for attention and perhaps an agenda. Whoever owns this site has a responsibility to maintain its integrity.  

    Jfoley89

    Posted

    I mean, CNN isn't doing "What happened to Chicago?" specials, so I think we're OK. 

    Brandon Glick

    Posted

    3 hours ago, CubinNY said:

    I'm going to rant here, so pardon me. 

    MAGA brain worms have come to NSBB. Some high school-educated multi-millionaire Christofasist doesn't want to play in SF because of the gays and the fact that he might have to be inconvenienced at the sight of an unhoused person goes squawking off to Roesnthall. So instead of investigating the facts of the matter and considering the source, he writes a clickbait story about players not wanting to play in SF. It's a political statement not borne out by facts, but by feelings. 

    Now another clickbait article gets written for this site based on nothing but a need for attention and perhaps an agenda. Whoever owns this site has a responsibility to maintain its integrity.  

    1) I haven't seen the same volume of "brain worms", as you call them, invading the site. Certainly some people with strongly outward-facing, dissenting opinions are present, but not in any significant volume that threatens the credibility of those who are here. 

    2) You're absolutely correct that Rosenthal - like his peers - is incentivized to blow stories like that out of proportion. It generates rapid interest in his reporting by inherently attaching it to politics. 

    3) That being said, this isn't a "new" thing. Rumors like this have been spread for years about certain cities, with SF being at the epicenter of the discussion due to its political leanings and social and economic issues. 

    4) Nothing in this article is clickbait. The article poses a query, the article holistically investigates that query without drawing a conclusion, and then leaves the discussion open. The discussion itself may be drawn from a "clickbait-y" source, but the article does not indulge beyond the initial reference. 

    5) It's clear which side you lean, which just so happens to be the exact same political affiliation I maintain. From my conversations with them, I imagine most people involved with the running this site agree with our stances and beliefs. 

    However, engaging with dissenting opinion is necessary. We may hate the conversations (perhaps because the "just" answer is so glaringly obvious to us) but they are important to have. Dismissing the players who don't like Chicago because it's more favorable to the left is easy but wrong. 

    6) Lastly, please criticize me as a writer or my politics or my beliefs all you like. That's part of putting art or our voice out into the world. But DO NOT come after the excellent people who manage the site and moderate what the viewers see. They are people of the highest caliber who maintain as much as much integrity as anyone in the callously-filtered spaces of the Internet. If they choose to share my words, then please know they've done so with good reason. 

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    PeanutPunch33

    Posted

    3 hours ago, CubinNY said:

    I'm going to rant here, so pardon me. 

    MAGA brain worms have come to NSBB. Some high school-educated multi-millionaire Christofasist doesn't want to play in SF because of the gays and the fact that he might have to be inconvenienced at the sight of an unhoused person goes squawking off to Roesnthall. So instead of investigating the facts of the matter and considering the source, he writes a clickbait story about players not wanting to play in SF. It's a political statement not borne out by facts, but by feelings. 

    Now another clickbait article gets written for this site based on nothing but a need for attention and perhaps an agenda. Whoever owns this site has a responsibility to maintain its integrity.  

    Or maybe people are just tired of the never ending violence caused by democrats and their past/present/future voters 

    i come from Bangladesh and my entire family is immigrants and we support trump.  We don’t need you white knighting for us. 

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    squally1313

    Posted

    3 hours ago, CubinNY said:

    I'm going to rant here, so pardon me. 

    MAGA brain worms have come to NSBB. Some high school-educated multi-millionaire Christofasist doesn't want to play in SF because of the gays and the fact that he might have to be inconvenienced at the sight of an unhoused person goes squawking off to Roesnthall. So instead of investigating the facts of the matter and considering the source, he writes a clickbait story about players not wanting to play in SF. It's a political statement not borne out by facts, but by feelings. 

    Now another clickbait article gets written for this site based on nothing but a need for attention and perhaps an agenda. Whoever owns this site has a responsibility to maintain its integrity.  

    There's maybe a way to write this article that frames it as 'baseball players/professional athletes/etc are probably terrible people and therefore might buy into Fox News propaganda'. But agree that I don't think this is it.

    Also, like, maybe they just don't want to play in the Chicago because the first third of the season is either raining or 41 degrees or both, and it's probably a pretty terrible place to live in the winter for someone who grew up somewhere they could play baseball year round. Can that be the 'Chicago problem'?

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    CubinNY

    Posted (edited)

    9 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

    Or maybe people are just tired of the never ending violence caused by democrats and their past/present/future voters 

    i come from Bangladesh and my entire family is immigrants and we support trump.  We don’t need you white knighting for us. 

    Murder and violent crime are down for the 2nd straight year but do go on. Cities like SF, Chicago, NY, etc. are far safer than places like Montgomery, Birmingham, New Orleans, Miami, etc. Violence, however, is not a democrat or a republican problem. It's an American problem. 

    Trump is talking about rounding up immigrants so have your papers ready when they come for you.

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    PeanutPunch33

    Posted (edited)

    7 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

    Murder and violent crime are down for the 2nd straight year but do go on. Cities like SF, Chicago, NY, etc. are far safer than places like Montgomery, Birmingham, New Orleans, Miami, etc. Violence, however, is not a democrat or a republican problem. It's an American problem. 

    Trump is talking about rounding up immigrants so have your papers ready when they come for you.


    My parents bothered to follow the law and wait 10 years for their h1 visa, so we aren’t at risk.  I actually don’t know any real immigrant that supports illegal immigration.. 

     

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    squally1313

    Posted

    1 minute ago, CubinNY said:

    Murder and violent crime are down for the 2nd straight year but do go on. Cities like SF, Chicago, NY, etc. are far safer than places like Montgomery, Birmingham, New Orleans, Miami, etc. Violence, however, is not a democrat or a republican problem. It's an American problem. 

    Trump is talking about rounding up immigrants so have your papers ready when they come for you.

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    (you're right, but to what end)

    mul21

    Posted

    40 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:

    Or maybe people are just tired of the never ending violence caused by democrats and their past/present/future voters 

    i come from Bangladesh and my entire family is immigrants and we support trump.  We don’t need you white knighting for us. 

    What's like voting for people who openly hold a great disdain for you?

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    Derek_Lee_Truther

    Posted (edited)

    44 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

    There's maybe a way to write this article that frames it as 'baseball players/professional athletes/etc are probably terrible people and therefore might buy into Fox News propaganda'. But agree that I don't think this is it.

    Also, like, maybe they just don't want to play in the Chicago because the first third of the season is either raining or 41 degrees or both, and it's probably a pretty terrible place to live in the winter for someone who grew up somewhere they could play baseball year round. Can that be the 'Chicago problem'?

    I dont think this is a great article and I definitely don't agree with Brandon's very leftist politics , but to his credit he does spend the back half of the article addressing other reasons why guys wouldn't like Chicago, weather included. 

    I think everyone just gets PO at the headline and doesn't bother actually reading the words. Something I've been guilty of a lot in the past

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    CubinNY

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, mul21 said:

    What's like voting for people who openly hold a great disdain for you?

    Not to mention the Muslim ban Trump is proposing.

    squally1313

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Derek_Lee_Truther said:

    I dont think this is a great article and I definitely don't agree with Brandon's very leftist politics , but to his credit he does spend the back half of the article addressing other reasons why guys wouldn't like Chicago, weather included. 

    I think everyone just gets PO at the headline and doesn't bother actually reading the words. Something I've been guilty of a lot in the past

    He mentioned weather very briefly, but as part of a long list of theoretically 'other' reasons that are also basically just politics again. 

    UMFan83

    Posted

    46 minutes ago, squally1313 said:

    There's maybe a way to write this article that frames it as 'baseball players/professional athletes/etc are probably terrible people and therefore might buy into Fox News propaganda'. But agree that I don't think this is it.

    Also, like, maybe they just don't want to play in the Chicago because the first third of the season is either raining or 41 degrees or both, and it's probably a pretty terrible place to live in the winter for someone who grew up somewhere they could play baseball year round. Can that be the 'Chicago problem'?

    Average high temperature in May is 66 degrees in Chicago.  Most ballplayers don't live in the city they play in during the offseason as far as I know.  I really don't think the weather matters at all in evaluating which baseball team to play for.  Yes there can be some ****** games early in the season but with weather in April and early May being a very wide range of temperatures, plus teams playing half their games on the road, we're probably talking about like 8 games a year where weather is a concern.

    I read the article.  I think the topic is unnecessary but the article itself was fine. No I do not believe the Cubs have a Chicago problem unless a player has a regional preference, and in that case its rarely the midwest (unless you are Craig Counsell!)

    PeanutPunch33

    Posted

    19 minutes ago, mul21 said:

    What's like voting for people who openly hold a great disdain for you?


    hmm one of the leading presidential candidates for republicans looks just like me though?  funnily enough I’ve never seen anti Asian crime in Wichita or Tulsa but it seems to happen every hour of the day where the democrats are 

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    gocubs218

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:


    hmm one of the leading presidential candidates for republicans looks just like me though?  funnily enough I’ve never seen anti Asian crime in Wichita or Tulsa but it seems to happen every hour of the day where the democrats are 

    Help everyone if that horsefeathers becomes president. 

    Rcal10

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:


    hmm one of the leading presidential candidates for republicans looks just like me though?  funnily enough I’ve never seen anti Asian crime in Wichita or Tulsa but it seems to happen every hour of the day where the democrats are 

    Keep watching Fox and their alternative news. Damn this country is getting dumber by the day! Guess I am just as dumb. I gave Americans too much credit. I thought they would be smarter. We aren’t.

    mul21

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:


    hmm one of the leading presidential candidates for republicans looks just like me though?  funnily enough I’ve never seen anti Asian crime in Wichita or Tulsa but it seems to happen every hour of the day where the democrats are 

    Ever wonder if that's because there aren't many people that look like that in those places?  And as has been stated already, crime rates are much higher in red states than in blue, the blue just gets more attention because the right jumps up and down about it and doesn't look at actual rates, just total numbers.  I'll drop this now because it's an argument nobody wins on the internet.

    PeanutPunch33

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

    Keep watching Fox and their alternative news. Damn this country is getting dumber by the day! Guess I am just as dumb. I gave Americans too much credit. I thought they would be smarter. We aren’t.


    i will dude thanks!  Let me know when you have a use case of actually winning on those awful policies instead of sensationalism!  Clearly it isn’t working in Detroit or Dc or Portland 

    Brock Beauchamp

    Posted

    First, let's leave the personal political statements out of the conversation, especially when directed at another user. As much as I roll my eyes at certain people voting preferences (and they're not dissimilar to most people on this forum), going directly at people NEVER leads to a productive end.

    Honestly, I wavered on this piece a bit (I edited it) because I thought about asking Brandon to shift focus on it slightly. I think there are some interesting questions in the second half of the piece, which is really what I found most engaging. Ultimately, I decided to let Brandon go with how he envisioned the piece and never reached out to him about it.

    Whether we think American perceptions of cities are factual or not (they're not), the perceptions and opinions are real. And it's a hard conversation to have when perception and reality do not align.

    But what I found interesting about this article are some peripheral problems the Cubs might have in attracting players. Weather is certainly a reality... but what I find most interesting in this discussion is the current ownership/front office combo treating a premier franchise like the Cubs as if they're a mid-market club that "just can't go that high".

    And that leads to a different perception of the city/team, but this one is based in reality.

    This CAN be a productive conversation to have if we have it as adults.

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    UMFan83

    Posted

    14 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:


    hmm one of the leading presidential candidates for republicans looks just like me though?  funnily enough I’ve never seen anti Asian crime in Wichita or Tulsa but it seems to happen every hour of the day where the democrats are 

     

    Wichita and Tulsa you say?

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    I wasn't going to get into the political fray in this topic but not going to stand for slandering Chicago in favor of horsefeathers Wichita and Tulsa

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    PeanutPunch33

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, mul21 said:

    Ever wonder if that's because there aren't many people that look like that in those places?  And as has been stated already, crime rates are much higher in red states than in blue, the blue just gets more attention because the right jumps up and down about it and doesn't look at actual rates, just total numbers.  I'll drop this now because it's an argument nobody wins on the internet.


    OK dude I am just trying to offer you my opinion as a minority and immigrant. You know, the people you always try to speak on behalf of but silence at the same time….. 

    PeanutPunch33

    Posted

    Just now, UMFan83 said:

     

    Wichita and Tulsa you say?

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    I wasn't going to get into the political fray in this topic but not going to stand for slandering Chicago in favor of horsefeathers Wichita and Tulsa


    I learned about the term “per capita” in 7th grade.  HBU?

    UMFan83

    Posted (edited)

    6 minutes ago, PeanutPunch33 said:


    I learned about the term “per capita” in 7th grade.  HBU?

    ok yep im out of this discussion lol, you told me all i need to know

    Out of respect for Brock, I'll leave it there

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