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    2024 Chicago Cubs Positional Preview: Third Base


    Randy Holt

    The Chicago Cubs' re-addition of Cody Bellinger into the mix early this spring has me jazzed about the exhibition season and beyond. However, two things can be true. And the other thing true in my mind is that it remains difficult to label the 2023-24 offseason a success. That line of thinking comes back to one buzzword: clarity.

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    The team set out into the winter needing clarity in a few spots. Perhaps most notably, they needed it on the infield corners. They especially needed clarity – if not a true upgrade – at third base. And while we may have an idea of how the Cubs want things to pan out at the hot corner, that lack of clarity continues to loom as the Arizona weather begins to heat up.

    The Starter: Christopher Morel (?)
    2023 Stats: .247/.313/.508, 31.0 K%, 8.4 BB%, .260 ISO, 119 wRC+, 1.4 fWAR
    2024 Projections (ZiPS): .242/.309/.465, 30.8 K%, 8.2 BB%, .224 ISO, 108 wRC+, 1.3 fWAR

    Scouting Report: Given that this is the first legitimate opportunity seemingly given to Morel at this level, it seems appropriate to assume Morel will be get the nod at third when the season opens up at the end of March. The clear interest from the brass feeds directly into the assumption. Morel’s offensive profile would play best among the options. He hits just enough and has the desired power for a corner spot. His success there would allow the club more flexibility at the designated hitter spot and elsewhere in the field, while also establishing a permanent defensive home for one of their best young hitters.

    The question will obviously be the defense. Morel has the athleticism and the arm to handle the spot. It’s a matter of the glove and instincts translating in such a way as to entrench him at the corner. There’s a likely scenario whereby Morel gets the majority of the time, but also mixes in semi-regularly at DH. This would ease his transition and open up some of the flexibility recently discussed. Given the upper-tier defense the Cubs have elsewhere in the field, though, Morel doesn’t have to be outstanding to hold onto it. He merely has to be average. 

    With the physical tools, the infrastructure around him, and the clear intention in the opportunity from team leadership, it’s easy to imagine Cubs Third Baseman Christopher Morel as the established thing by the end of ’24.

    Other Options: Even if Morel does ultimately take the job wholesale, we’re likely to see a mix of Nick Madrigal, Patrick Wisdom, and Michael Busch on his DH days. It stands to reason that Matt Shaw will find his way into the big league mix before season’s end as well. 

    Madrigal represents the most stable of the options, purely from the perspective of skill set. He provided above-average defense there, a happy development that no one expected. Any sort of timeshare that involves a late-game defensive sub could result in Madrigal getting run in those situations. His bat – predicated entirely around regular contact – doesn’t carry the profile for regular starts, but he’s not a total zero. He can give you something at the plate. The concern there is health. Madrigal’s 92 games in 2023 were the most in his Major League career to date, but he also hit the Injured List on multiple occasions.

    Wisdom gives you something of the offensive profile you’re looking for there, as does Busch. In Wisdom’s case, the defense isn’t suitable to fill in beyond very short stretches, and he strikes out far too much at the plate. Garrett Cooper’s addition as a non-roster invite does lead one to ponder how long Wisdom may be around for the corner-thumper-off-the-bench role. As for Busch, he’s penciled in as the everyday first baseman at present. We may see him at third throughout the year, especially in instances against right-handed pitching where Cody Bellinger suits up at first. Matt Mervis forcing his way into the picture – however unlikely – could also flip Busch to the other side of the diamond.

    Shaw as a third base option would probably require a lot of things to go wrong early in the season. The Cubs are moving him around, as his bat should play from anywhere. If Morel struggles massively (on either side of the ball) or injuries force movement after he’s been given some extra time to cook in Tennessee/Iowa, we could see Shaw pop into the picture. For now, though, he’s likely on the outside of things, leaving Madrigal, Wisdom, and – to a lesser extent – Busch behind Morel.

    The Big Question: How “everyday” is everyday?
    There are more obvious questions. Can Morel hang as an everyday guy? Is he a long-term option if he does? Do the Cubs have the depth there if he fails or gets hurt? But they’re not necessarily unique ones. The largest question, in my mind, is whether Christopher Morel: Everyday Third Baseman comes as something of a misnomer.

    We know the Cubs have a great deal of roster flexibility beyond their entrenched starters in the middle of the infield and the outfield corners. They have positional versatility off the bench. Could we see a situation where Morel is more part of a rotation between third and DH, rather than the more familiar Regular 3B/Occasional DH? If Craig Counsell wants to work in Madrigal, Wisdom, Busch, or even Miles Mastrobuoni, then I suppose it’s possible more in a way that subjects Morel to DH more than anyone else in the field.

    One has to imagine that the cerebral nature of the Cubs’ new skipper would lead him to steer clear of this, though. In an ideal world, though, Morel is given the everyday crack until the sample becomes large enough to make a determination on his positional future one way or the other.

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    LBiittner

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    12 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I’m being a hater horsefeathers horsefeathers and internet bully clown but one reason can’t wait for this season to start is just so Morel’s domination of the offseason is over. I’ve never seen so much made out of a player who really obviously struggles on defense coming off a .309 OBP, nearly 4:1 K:BB, a 30+% K rate, and 1 WAR (in 429 PAs) at DH 

    Its funny because he’s from totally out of LF as a productive player for Cubs, a near decade pro who mostly struggled in the minors, but nothing to ponder our algorithm for optimism throughout is the most recent first rounders and most current hippest most happenin’ teenagers (though much more tentative on them foreign ones after parroting the Hernandez ‘21 hype didn’t work out) 

    My thoughts, if Jim Marshall and Jack Bloomfield could translate Billy Madlock from a statue into a glove carrying statue, I'll give counsell a chance to analyze Chris.

    Bertz

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    Morel is obviously the big question, and should be.  I do think the fanbase generally has overstated how screwed we are if he can't make it work.  I know the fans hate Madrigal, but ZiPS thinks he's a 3 WAR/600 PA player.  Mastrobuoni is at 2 WAR/600 PA.  Wisdom is 1.7.  There are complimentary skillsets too, so there's opportunity for synergy and we just paid a manager huge money to try and wring that out.

    What's been interesting this spring is that the messaging on Busch and Morel feels like it's flipped.  At the convention it sounded like Morel wasn't getting much run at 3B beyond utility work, while Busch sounded like a legitimate part time option.  Here in the spring there's obviously been the news around Morel at 3rd, but also it increasingly sounds like Busch is going to get very little 3B time.  I wonder if the about face is because Cody got locked in and a month ago they had to be open to Chapman?

    Jason Ross

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    42 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I’m being a hater horsefeathers horsefeathers and internet bully clown but one reason can’t wait for this season to start is just so Morel’s domination of the offseason is over. I’ve never seen so much made out of a player who really obviously struggles on defense coming off a .309 OBP, nearly 4:1 K:BB, a 30+% K rate, and 1 WAR (in 429 PAs) at DH 

    Its funny because he’s from totally out of LF as a productive player for Cubs, a near decade pro who mostly struggled in the minors, but nothing to ponder our algorithm for optimism throughout is the most recent first rounders and most current hippest most happenin’ teenagers (though much more tentative on them foreign ones after parroting the Hernandez ‘21 hype didn’t work out) 

    I think it's fair to point out his OBP and his K issues (with that said, his OBP last year was .313, pedantic and all). His fWAR, maybe a little less. DH is going to do a lot of work there, and the hope with the Morel at 3b is that he's a capable enough 3b. Where I think people are hopeful is that despite the K's and the OBP, he's a 114 wRC+ hitter over 800 PA's and fresh off a 119 wRC+. This is a not-insignificant sample size over two seasons. A 119 wRC+ at 3b puts him in the conversation next to Max Muncy offensively in 2023. 

    I don't know if I have much hope for Morel to make that transition. There's plenty of athleticism to make you think he doesn't have to be a DH, but that doesn't seem to be translating. Clearly there's hurdles, from questions over his footwork and his arm slot, and his history at the position in the minors...it doesn't seem likely. With that said, I understand why people are excited about the prospect; even if Morel is like, a -5 or -6 OAA at third, if he's a 114 wRC+ hitter...he's likely a 2.5 fWAR third baseman, a clear upgrade over the guys we have. There's enough there that it's possible, however likely or unlikely you personally believe in it. I know I want him to figure it out there; that's the best outcome for all, really.

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    CubinNY

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    9 minutes ago, Bertz said:

    Morel is obviously the big question, and should be.  I do think the fanbase generally has overstated how screwed we are if he can't make it work.  I know the fans hate Madrigal, but ZiPS thinks he's a 3 WAR/600 PA player.  Mastrobuoni is at 2 WAR/600 PA.  Wisdom is 1.7.  There are complimentary skillsets too, so there's opportunity for synergy and we just paid a manager huge money to try and wring that out.

    What's been interesting this spring is that the messaging on Busch and Morel feels like it's flipped.  At the convention it sounded like Morel wasn't getting much run at 3B beyond utility work, while Busch sounded like a legitimate part time option.  Here in the spring there's obviously been the news around Morel at 3rd, but also it increasingly sounds like Busch is going to get very little 3B time.  I wonder if the about face is because Cody got locked in and a month ago they had to be open to Chapman?

    The thing with Madrigal is that if he's getting regular playing time, at some point he's going on the IL for an extended time. I don't think the Cubs can pencil him in for the majority of 3B. 

    Morel needs to make the routine plays, that's it. If he can't do that, he can't play the position. Yesterday's non-error/error was a higher-end play, but a play a ML 3rd baseman is going to make 9 times out 10. 

    Original Ivy Walls

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    Morel's defensive shortcomings are/were throwing to 1B/2B because of poor developmental coaching regarding fundamentals in setting his footwork and focusing on his arm angle. Counsell & Co identified this, and working on daily repetitions of fielding practice should mitigate this liability. Morel's offensive number should also escalate with more regular playing time, along with tutoring by Swanson & Hoerner. 

    Wisdom is gone. Hopefully, the Cubs get a lower A flyer  

    Madrigal also could be slated for a minor trade 

    Mastrobuoni and Bote can play the entire infield outside 1B & C, so competition for the utility spot ensues. Bote had to have a genuine unreported discourse with Ross about being in the long-term dog house. Fresh eyes might open a door for him. Both of them fit into Counsell's worldview of a "total baseball player". 

    Shaw could be developed into the next coming of Zobrist as a super-utility starter in 2025 onward. I wonder if we see him getting OF reps in AA/AAA?

     

     

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    Brock Beauchamp

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    1 minute ago, Original Ivy Walls said:

    Morel's defensive shortcomings are/were throwing to 1B/2B because of poor developmental coaching regarding fundamentals in setting his footwork and focusing on his arm angle. Counsell & Co identified this, and working on daily repetitions of fielding practice should mitigate this liability. Morel's offensive number should also escalate with more regular playing time, along with tutoring by Swanson & Hoerner. 

    Wisdom is gone. Hopefully, the Cubs get a lower A flyer  

    Madrigal also could be slated for a minor trade 

    Mastrobuoni and Bote can play the entire infield outside 1B & C, so competition for the utility spot ensues. Bote had to have a genuine unreported discourse with Ross about being in the long-term dog house. Fresh eyes might open a door for him. Both of them fit into Counsell's worldview of a "total baseball player". 

    Shaw could be developed into the next coming of Zobrist as a super-utility starter in 2025 onward. I wonder if we see him getting OF reps in AA/AAA?

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    LBiittner

    Posted

    42 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Bill Madlock the guy who hit .336/.397/.475, won two batting titles, and nearly put up 12 fWAR over 3 years while never going to the playoffs with Cubs? Sorry if I don’t see the similarities! 

    Billy couldn't find 3rdbase on his own when he first arrived as payment for canadian Fergy

    We Got The Whole 9

    Posted

    1 hour ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I’m being a hater horsefeathers horsefeathers and internet bully clown but one reason can’t wait for this season to start is just so Morel’s domination of the offseason is over. I’ve never seen so much made out of a player who really obviously struggles on defense coming off a .309 OBP, nearly 4:1 K:BB, a 30+% K rate, and 1 WAR (in 429 PAs) at DH 

    Its funny because he’s from totally out of LF as a productive player for Cubs, a near decade pro who mostly struggled in the minors, but nothing to ponder our algorithm for optimism throughout is the most recent first rounders and most current hippest most happenin’ teenagers (though much more tentative on them foreign ones after parroting the Hernandez ‘21 hype didn’t work out) 

    This is that horsefeathers that Tiger was talking about. This is a seriously unitelligible sentence. It would be a lot better if you just said what you need to say without being so esoteric in everything. Just tell us that most posters here don't actually know horsefeathers about prospects and just get mezmerized by shiny toys. Be direct with your freaking words and leave the cryptic crap on the cutting room floor. 

     

    Or just save it sometimes. That would be nice too. 

     

     

    As for the article, there actually was quite a bit of clarity provided by the FO in their nonchalant approach to the 3B position. They believe they can get respectable production out of the position this season and they did not want to block the path of Matt Shaw. That's pretty obvious to me. It wasn't a pressing need for them in 2024. 

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    Jason Ross

    Posted

    57 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I would submit the defense, plate discipline, OBP, and running out of steam to tune of a .231/.307/.452 second half did more of the work. I get its tough to rack up WAR as a DH but its not exactly in his favor the recently tanking team with no one blocking had him in that position 

    Maybe what most gets me is that, from what I’ve seen during the two Ricketts rebuilds in a decade, the strong suspicion is fans and media so easily imagine moar from him because of the contract situation. I’ve seent how Cubs media (and fans) under Ricketts ultimately treats the players they build up, could be I’m just prepping myself for them to turn on Morel if he fails to deliver the moar always demanded 

    I mean, his second half was worse than his first, but I'm not so sure he really ran out of steam. He did have his worst month of the season in August, then posted a 133 wRC+ in September. August sucked on ice, but he's probably going to be a bit streaky because of the power. His K rate dipped significantly in September, likely a blip, but probably as much of a blip as say, a 33 wRC+ in August, too. 

    Reality is, it's hard to fWAR as a DH. He was just .,5 fWAR off of Jorge Soler, a DH who had a wRC+ of 126 last season, but also 150 PA's away. Soler was a 1.9 fWAR, and the 8th highest fWAR of any DH In baseball. I'm less worried about  fWAR when it comes to a DH, similarly akin to how RP fWAR runs. It's a bit funky and prefer to look more at things like wRC+ when speaking of DH's. Overall, I think Morel had a really nice offensive season, though one I agree is less than ideal with concerns about K% and contact rate. With 800 PA's under his belt, however, it's also fair to point out the fairly stable sample size we have to suggest that he's shown the ability to out power that, too. 

    Main point: I understand why people are talking up Morel as a 3b option. If he can figure it out defensively to even be just "below average" he's going to be a nice player. I still have major reservations.

    thawv

    Posted

    21 hours ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Bill Madlock the guy who hit .336/.397/.475, won two batting titles, and nearly put up 12 fWAR over 3 years while never going to the playoffs with Cubs? Sorry if I don’t see the similarities! 

    I think he's talking about Madlock's poor defense.  But with Bill's offensive numbers, his defense is hardly noticed.



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