Fukudome v. Edmonds (aka defense matters)

[seanimal]

i disagree. with all that the mlb is doing to quantify the game, there's a pretty good chance we'll be able to have some reliable defensive measurements in the somewhat near future. it won't make the evaluation of defense in the past more concrete, but in the future it will.

[haltz]

A run is a run. Players at the corners having less chances (and less at 2B than SS) isn't news to conventional wisdom or a metric like UZR. I don't see how it's over or underrated here. And a single play is actually worth slightly more at the corners.

 

meaning bradley is a 3.5 win guy (big health assumption)

ibanez is a 0 win guy

abreu is a 1 win guy

dunn is a 1 win guy

How are you coming up with Dunn as a 1-win guy? I have him at 2.5 WAR using Marcel and UZR/150, maybe slightly less if he really is a poor situational hitter.

[haltz]

I can't see how they'll ever be able to come up with a useful defensive measure since there are so many variables. Whose pitching and hitting, weather, field conditions, those substle nuances between parks. Not all fly balls are equal.

Well then OPS sucks too.

 

The big problem is the data. With better data, you'd get better results. Get ahold of an old UZR spreadsheet (STATs inc) and compare some players using the new fangraphs (BIS) numbers. It's sort of disheartening. It's certainly better than nothing or my own amateur WAGs though.

[nilodnayr]

A run is a run. Players at the corners having less chances (and less at 2B than SS) isn't news to conventional wisdom or a metric like UZR. I don't see how it's over or underrated here. And a single play is actually worth slightly more at the corners.

 

meaning bradley is a 3.5 win guy (big health assumption)

ibanez is a 0 win guy

abreu is a 1 win guy

dunn is a 1 win guy

How are you coming up with Dunn as a 1-win guy? I have him at 2.5 WAR using Marcel and UZR/150, maybe slightly less if he really is a poor situational hitter.

 

i was lazy and not adding in for replacement since i was just comparing