Cedeno Up and Moore Down (confirmed by cubs.com)

[Skyballer]

ok we get it... murton is God and cedeno is the most worthless player to have ever played baseball.

Ever notice I wasn't even talking about Murton, my argument is about Theriot because he should be the starting SS, not cedeno.

[Pushfrog98]

ok we get it... murton is God and cedeno is the most worthless player to have ever played baseball.

Ever notice I wasn't even talking about Murton, my argument is about Theriot because he should be the starting SS, not cedeno.

Yes, you brought in theriot to prove how worthless cedeno is, but you started it by mentioning how there's a perfectly good RF wasting away in Iowa. :D

[Tracer Bullet]

Boy, didn't take Cedeno long to make an error.

 

Mind you, that's a play that Theriot very well might have needed to dive at just to get to. As such, there's no guarantee he would have made an error.

 

Better range gives more chances to make "errors."

 

Is that kinda like how the best base stealers are also the ones who get thrown out the most?

 

well, sort of, but that doesn't always hold up, and the definition of best basestealer is kind of vague (do you mean high total and high percentage or just highest total or something else?). but yeah, that's the basic idea.

 

Isn't the "best defender" definition vague too? I think it's a pretty good comparison, esp if limited to steals v. range in defense (ignoring arm strength). Is it better to be 10/11 in SB for the year or 40/60, etc? Similar for range - if you get to fewer balls, but handle more of them cleanly, is that better than getting to more, but having more "errors" in fielding them?

 

If it were me, I'd rather have fewer steals & a great %, but more range and more errors. If you get to a ball that someone else wouldn't have a play on, every out recorded is 1 more than the team otherwise would have had and a fielding error doesn't cost you anything (not true for throwing errors, where they usually result in 1 or more extra bases). Obviously, at some point, you screw up so many routine plays that it outweighs the superior range, but I don't know where that point is.

[Skyballer]

ok we get it... murton is God and cedeno is the most worthless player to have ever played baseball.

Ever notice I wasn't even talking about Murton, my argument is about Theriot because he should be the starting SS, not cedeno.

Yes, you brought in theriot to prove how worthless cedeno is, but you started it by mentioning how there's a perfectly good RF wasting away in Iowa. :D

There is, and I dont' think Matt is the greatest thing ever but come on, he is most definetely an upgrade over Floyd, however with DeRo's injury I think we need Cedeno hear, as a backup.

I don't know why everyone thinks Cedeno is the second coming of Honus Wagner.

[SAMMYWHO]

ok we get it... murton is God and cedeno is the most worthless player to have ever played baseball.

Ever notice I wasn't even talking about Murton, my argument is about Theriot because he should be the starting SS, not cedeno.

Yes, you brought in theriot to prove how worthless cedeno is, but you started it by mentioning how there's a perfectly good RF wasting away in Iowa. :D

There is, and I dont' think Matt is the greatest thing ever but come on, he is most definetely an upgrade over Floyd, however with DeRo's injury I think we need Cedeno hear, as a backup.

I don't know why everyone thinks Cedeno is the second coming of Honus Wagner.

 

The argument is for Ronny getting a decent shot. Unlike Pie, we need to continue to give Ronny playing time. Nobody is arguing he an All Star right now, it's now or never for him, let the kid show what he's got.

[seanimal]

ok we get it... murton is God and cedeno is the most worthless player to have ever played baseball.

Ever notice I wasn't even talking about Murton, my argument is about Theriot because he should be the starting SS, not cedeno.

Yes, you brought in theriot to prove how worthless cedeno is, but you started it by mentioning how there's a perfectly good RF wasting away in Iowa. :D

There is, and I dont' think Matt is the greatest thing ever but come on, he is most definetely an upgrade over Floyd, however with DeRo's injury I think we need Cedeno hear, as a backup.

I don't know why everyone thinks Cedeno is the second coming of Honus Wagner.

 

So we have you being bothered that your point is being misrepresented, and then you go and misrepresent what people here have said. Incredible.

[A New Era]

ok we get it... murton is God and cedeno is the most worthless player to have ever played baseball.

Ever notice I wasn't even talking about Murton, my argument is about Theriot because he should be the starting SS, not cedeno.

Yes, you brought in theriot to prove how worthless cedeno is, but you started it by mentioning how there's a perfectly good RF wasting away in Iowa. :D

There is, and I dont' think Matt is the greatest thing ever but come on, he is most definetely an upgrade over Floyd, however with DeRo's injury I think we need Cedeno hear, as a backup.

I don't know why everyone thinks Cedeno is the second coming of Honus Wagner.

 

The argument is for Ronny getting a decent shot. Unlike Pie, we need to continue to give Ronny playing time. Nobody is arguing he an All Star right now, it's now or never for him, let the kid show what he's got.

 

Cedeno just has promise. I'd like to give him a shot at SS for awhile. But at the same time I want to give soto and pie a longer shot. But if the team did that they'd have to upgrade at RF for sure. But that's what I'd really like to see.

[CyHawk_Cub]

ok we get it... murton is God and cedeno is the most worthless player to have ever played baseball.

Ever notice I wasn't even talking about Murton, my argument is about Theriot because he should be the starting SS, not cedeno.

Yes, you brought in theriot to prove how worthless cedeno is, but you started it by mentioning how there's a perfectly good RF wasting away in Iowa. :D

There is, and I dont' think Matt is the greatest thing ever but come on, he is most definetely an upgrade over Floyd, however with DeRo's injury I think we need Cedeno hear, as a backup.

I don't know why everyone thinks Cedeno is the second coming of Honus Wagner.

 

So we have you being bothered that your point is being misrepresented, and then you go and misrepresent what people here have said. Incredible.

 

Ugh...his logic makes my head hurt.