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I dont think anything he said deserved being suspended for. do you think there may possibly be some "behind the scenes" incidents that we aren't privy to though? I added an edit to that post you probably didnt see. Ill answer after you read that if you want

How is that his own teammates have basically called him a douche if they really didn't feel that way? His teammates let him have it. This is not some conspiracy agains't poor Milty. Yea Im sure Cubs players feel real confortable coming out and defending him right now. Yea that will sure earn you praises from Hendry.

I dont think anything he said deserved being suspended for, and I also dont like the public fashion it was executed in. Also dont like that Hendry himself, admitted it was a knee jerk reaction. I also dont like the precedent they are setting. For now on if anyone speaks out on city, fans, ect... they better be suspended. But go ahead and punch a teammate, or get in a very public verbal argument with your manager, all that stuff is ok. Just dont talk bad about the city or the fans.

Noone in the Cubs organization is going to come out and really speak their true feelings on this situation right now. If they think the suspension is BS, they arent going to admit it. Its going to be all company speak. Sure sounds like Brenly spoke his mind plenty. Right, because he was in the same opinion of Hendry. Noone is going to speak out against it is what I was meaning.

And because of that history you'd think the Cubs would be prepared for this kind of thing. That they'd take the proper steps both to prevent incidents from happening, along with giving him some leeway when they do happen. If you aren't willing to do that, then you don't sign the guy. It looks like as usual, Hendry took the best season from a player and assumed he would continue at that pace, this time both his on the field performance and his personality. Yup and Bradley started out the season not wanting to talk to the media, just so he could avoid this [expletive]. Guess who made him talk to the media? Yup good ol Jimbo and Lou.

Noone in the Cubs organization is going to come out and really speak their true feelings on this situation right now. If they think the suspension is BS, they arent going to admit it. Its going to be all company speak.

"Milton Bradley did absolutely nothing to help the Cubs win games. Had he done that, you learn to live with it. In fact, the distractions on and off the field were helping them lose games." Yup exactly the meat head response from Brenly that I expected. Show me any proof at all that Bradleys distractions off the field(whatever they were) helped them lose games.

Even if there is a good comparison there (and I really don't know about it since you're compiling all of Z's questionable actions over the course of years while Bradley's have come over a few months) Bradley isn't going to get the same sort of leash as Z and he really doesn't deserve that long of a leash. So its ok to be a dick and act like a child numerous times over the course of 3-5 years, but its not ok to be a dick a couple times in 1 season because he hasnt endeared himself to the Cubbie faithful? Not sure I agree with that Im not quite sure how Z could deserve a longer leash, when he has shown repeatedly hes going to do what he wants. Punch teammates, throw balls toward the crowd, be out of shape, etc.....I dont see how Bradley as done anything near as bad as some of the [expletive] Z has, and fans look at it as Z being passionate. The point about the things occurring over years is that if you space out your stupid things, then it might never be quite bad enough to get you suspended because you earn some credit back in between. That's part of what has happened to Z who has been close a couple of times but then apologizes and behaves for a while. Why does Bradley not get as big of a leash as Z? Because of his past. The multiple times he had confrontations with managers/GM's/announcers etc. The legal troubles. The troubles with MLB with certain incidents. Bradley's got at least one of the top 3 most checkered histories in the entire league, and that doesn't all get washed away when he becomes a Cub. The Cubs were willing to give him another chance, but that doesn't mean he gets as much as Z who doesn't have nearly the history that Bradley does. Also, what SSR said was right. At times, the Cubs have put up with Z because they needed him so badly (especially after the fight with Barrett, which is probably the one time that Z should have been suspended). They also haven't done anything with Z because it didn't hurt business to not do anything. With Bradley, they both don't need him nearly as much as Z and he has continued to make comments about the fans and organization. I agree with what you are saying, and thats part of my point. Z's past behavior is pretty damn checkered, and the Cubs have overlooked it for years. Like you said the Cubs overlooked it because of how he performed. So in essence, as long as you perform, the Cubs will overlook your actions.

Im not watching the game as I dont get WCIU, and well because Im watching football, but Id love to hear Brenlys completely 100% unbiased reactions...... Im sure its a 100% non meat head response

Heh, even when Bradley was tearing the cover off the ball after the All Star break, if he went 3-4 the Cubs fans would boo that 1 out he made. But yea at least now no other player will say a negative thing about the idiots at Wrigley, because suspensions will be forthcoming. Well unless you have had a really good season, or have played here for a few years, then you can do what you want(See Carlos Zambrano).

i still find it funny that you believe this nonsense Good reasoning I see your point, and you have converted me...Oh wait no you havent. I listed just a few of Z's childish ass behaviors he has had as a Cub, and they are far worse than Bradley hurting Cubs fans feelings. Zambrano's beating of Barrett was considered one of the turning points for the 2007 season. Maybe if Bradley had beaten up Aaron Miles and the Cubs went on a winning streak he would been a fan favorite? In all seriousness though, who is to say that Zambrano isn't on his way out of town? Maybe Z is heading out of town, but you havent seen him ever get suspended by the team for his actions have you? Thats my question, why not? Because Z has performed well at times and has the backing of many of the "Cubbie faithful" unlike Bradley.

Even if there is a good comparison there (and I really don't know about it since you're compiling all of Z's questionable actions over the course of years while Bradley's have come over a few months) Bradley isn't going to get the same sort of leash as Z and he really doesn't deserve that long of a leash. So its ok to be a dick and act like a child numerous times over the course of 3-5 years, but its not ok to be a dick a couple times in 1 season because he hasnt endeared himself to the Cubbie faithful? Not sure I agree with that Im not quite sure how Z could deserve a longer leash, when he has shown repeatedly hes going to do what he wants. Punch teammates, throw balls toward the crowd, be out of shape, etc.....I dont see how Bradley as done anything near as bad as some of the [expletive] Z has, and fans look at it as Z being passionate.

i still find it funny that you believe this nonsense Good reasoning I see your point, and you have converted me...Oh wait no you havent. I listed just a few of Z's childish ass behaviors he has had as a Cub, and they are far worse than Bradley hurting Cubs fans feelings.

The only logical reason as to why Lou hasnt been playing Fox, is he already feels like hes done enough to show them he belongs, and they want to see some of the others. Now why one of those others is Bobby freaking Scales, I have no idea, but I quit trying to figure Lou out a long time ago.

Im still waiting to hear how Bradleys actions have been any worse than what Carlos Zambrano has done in his career as a Cub.

How long was Carlos Zambrano suspended for punching his own teammate? In my opinion Z's actions over the last few years have been a hell of alot worse than anything Bradley has said or done. Yet Jim Hendry hasnt done a damn thing to Z. Bradley is being used as a scapegoat, and had he been putting up numbers all year, and the Cubs werent way out of it, not a damn thing would have been done to Bradley. Hendry is trying to satisfy the [expletive] fans of this teams, and take the attention away from this [expletive] team, and his horrible off season. no zambrano has not i don't think anyone has ever offered any quote referencing Z not contributing to a positive team atmosphere Cause Zambrano's still on the team? Zambrano's had heat with his teammates and his manager in public. He had his questionable injury this year. Where's Z's suspension? you really think zambrano is in the same league as bradley in this situation? this situation is amazing, i can't believe some of the connections and thoughts coming forth Has Bradley physically assaulted a teammate to our knowledge? Has Bradley showed up after signing a big contract out of shape, which made him land on the DL? Has Bradley had an argument with his manager on the field? Has Bradley constantly showed up teammates when they make an error? Has Bradley heaved a baseball almost into the bleachers after being kicked out of a game? Z's actions the last few years have been alot worse than what Bradley has done.

How does this do anything but turn the attention back to the Cubs and Hendry? 3 days ago, they were just playing out the string of games, people had gotten over the fact that they were terrible this year, and the city was focused on Urlacher's injury and whether Jay Cutler can win a game. Now he's brought a lot of that attention back to the Cubs and writers around the country are once again bringing up the Cubs' horrible season. Bradley insulted the organization as a whole, as well as the rest of his teammates, so Hendry did what he felt was necessary. Because now Bradley can definitely be used as the scapegoat, and the bad chemistry plus injuries can now be used why the Cubs underperformed. All the focus is on Bradley now, and off the performance of the team.

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i agree with a lot of his points, but the piling on by his teammates is pretty damning, and joe didn't touch on that at all. I think the only thing that was damning was Dempster's comments. The rest were pretty tame and expected considering they were talking about a guy who was just punished by their boss. Were they supposed to say, "man Hendry's a [expletive] idiot" Exactly. It was basically company speak.

i agree with a lot of his points, but the piling on by his teammates is pretty damning, and joe didn't touch on that at all. I dont expect the team to go out against their GM and Manager and say it shouldnt have happened etc... Also its not like Demp and ARam are going to come out and agree with anything he said about the fans, the city, the organization etc.... DLee made a statement that stood out to me. That quote to me sounds like DLee doesnt even know why he was suspended, but he isnt going to go against the "company speak". are you kidding me, you sure are inferring an awful lot there in regards to DLee How am I inferring anything? DLee doesnt say that what Bradley did deserved a suspension, he says "if a guy gets suspended, Im sure he did something to deserve it". Thats company speak in my opinion, and its DLee being the "good guy" and not saying anything that could get him in trouble. Does he think Bradley deserves suspended? I dont know, but either do you from his comments.

How long was Carlos Zambrano suspended for punching his own teammate? In my opinion Z's actions over the last few years have been a hell of alot worse than anything Bradley has said or done. Yet Jim Hendry hasnt done a damn thing to Z. Bradley is being used as a scapegoat, and had he been putting up numbers all year, and the Cubs werent way out of it, not a damn thing would have been done to Bradley. Hendry is trying to satisfy the [expletive] fans of this teams, and take the attention away from this [expletive] team, and his horrible off season. no zambrano has not i don't think anyone has ever offered any quote referencing Z not contributing to a positive team atmosphere bradley wouldn't have said these things if we were looking at this team from a successful season vantage point...no way i agree that hendry has done a bad job, trying to appease the fans? not likely i think the situation should (and could have) been handled internally, but hendry IMO has punched his ticket out of town just as much as bradley unless hendry has some serious jedi mind trick power, i don't see how tom ricketts can stand by and let him continue this festival of bad management...look for an extremely active offseason on the northside both on and off the field When you say "no Zambrano has not" are you saying he hasnt done stuff as bad or worse than Bradley? Z's comments about not being in shape, and "if they dont want me they can trade me" isnt exactly pointing positive messages to the team. Bradley may not have said these things if the team was more successful, but Hendry wouldnt have suspended him in my opinion either if Bradley had put up numbers he thought he would. I 100% believe Hendry is doing this to appease the fans, and take the attention away from himself, and his horrible off-season, and away from this teams horrible season.

i agree with a lot of his points, but the piling on by his teammates is pretty damning, and joe didn't touch on that at all. I dont expect the team to go out against their GM and Manager and say it shouldnt have happened etc... Also its not like Demp and ARam are going to come out and agree with anything he said about the fans, the city, the organization etc.... DLee made a statement that stood out to me. That quote to me sounds like DLee doesnt even know why he was suspended, but he isnt going to go against the "company speak".

How long was Carlos Zambrano suspended for punching his own teammate? In my opinion Z's actions over the last few years have been a hell of alot worse than anything Bradley has said or done. Yet Jim Hendry hasnt done a damn thing to Z. Bradley is being used as a scapegoat, and had he been putting up numbers all year, and the Cubs werent way out of it, not a damn thing would have been done to Bradley. Hendry is trying to satisfy the dumbass fans of this teams, and take the attention away from this [expletive] team, and his horrible off season.

PREACH IT JOE! http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9559

I seen it on mlbtraderumors the other day but I cant find it now, but they are saying Tampa is sold on Desmond Jennings, and will entertain offers for Crawford or Upton. I know it would take alot for either, but they would be at the top of my wishlist.