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Jacque has to come through here.

Why are they pinch hitting for Fox?

Rich Hill avgs. over 6 IP per game started and is tied for 29th in Quality starts. Its hard to say he doesn't go long into ball games.

I read that and the first thing that came to my cynical Cub mind was Woody... :cry: :cry: It seemed like they have been dropping hints that something may be wrong for a few days now. His velocity was down a bit last time out and the length of time it was taking him to warm up has also been mentioned.

What's the point in posting this? Seriously, why even bother if this is all you're going to say? It's Gallagher's dad. Still. What's the point? Loosen up, after the initial Gallagher call up, there has been some good natured back and forth regarding early info.

So you obviously know something we don't. :) Any chance you know the corresponding move to this? Is he even on the 40 man?

Amongst the 59 pitcher in the NL with >100IP: Marquis' IP ranks 30th. Marquis' IP/GS ranks 44th. Marquis' VORP ranks 33rd. How does that not qualify as a quality innings eater? Once again, nobody is arguing that Marquis is a top of the line Ace.

To clarify your stance, what is your definition of an innnings eater? Do you take into account any of the factors that I mentioned above or are you strictly looking at GS/IP? Since Anze was able to come up with the GS/IP, so quickly, where does Marquis rank in the NL as far as GS/IP among pitchers with over 100IP this year? Also, why do you discount the amount of IP by a pitcher, or the number of Quality Starts so heavily? Do you put any value into the ability of pitcher A, to stay healthy and make all of his starts Or is pitcher "B" who pitches 6.01 GS/IP, but only pitched 70 innings this year (because of injury) an innings eater? whereas pitcher "A" is not? As far as your comments on Marquis post ASB, that is why there is a whole season to evaluate a players performance. In April and May, Marquis put up a 2.35 ERA and a 3.38 ERA respectively. His GS/IP was 6.38. I'm pretty sure at that point, nobody in their right mind believed that he would maintain that pace.

LOL. 30th in the NL in IP; 55th in MLB in IP. Both figures would put him as a fringe #2, top #3 innings eater. A few NL notables behind him: Smoltz, Zito, Sheets, Odalis Perez, Chris Young. I'd suggest you retreat back to the trend mullarkey. He's talking about average innings per start. Zito is the only guy who is averaging fewer innings per start, and that's because he's been terrible this year. There is something to be said for health, but that wasn't the gist of his post. Chris Young, IIRC, has issues with his hands/fingers numbing. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/vh2k6/ipperstart-1.gif I'm sure he wants to twist the argument to focus just on average innings per start, but that doesn't make it appropriate. Look each team has ~1500 innings that have to be pitched over the course of a 162 game schedule. The only question at hand here is how big of a piece of that pie is Marquis biting off. And the answer is that Marquis has helped the Cubs more than the guys that average a few tenths of an inning more per start, but have missed multiple starts. When a guy can't take the ball, the team has to scramble to find a replacement. That takes just as much of a toll on the staff, if not more. I wouldn't go so far as to call health a skill, but showing up and taking the ball every fifth day is absolutely an important part of the "innings eater" equation we're talking about here. I know you have to leave that element out if you want to get anywhere bashing Marquis, but that doesn't make it correct. Missing 1 start here or there is nowhere near the problem as consistently not making it into and past the 6th inning. More often than not, that starter replacing the injured for a start is unknown to other teams, and often does very well, hell we all know the Cubs cant hit unknown pitchers. Also consistently taking the ball and eating innings only matters if those innings hes eating he's also not allowing near 5 runs a game. We are now reduced to arguing about Marquis IP/GS? If we used that to measure the quality of a pitcher, Matt Morris, Aaron Cook and Jon Garland would all be considered better pitchers than Carlos Zambrano. IP/GS could be a factor of numerous things, such as a manager's predisposition to let a pitcher get his way out of trouble, sheer matchups, the pitcher's spot on the lineup coming up to bat, and the quality and/or manager's confidence in the bullpen. If you look at the number of Quality Starts Marquis is 36th in the NL, which is not bad at all. Look, nobody is making an argument that Marquis is a tremendous pitcher or the anchor of the Cubs staff, but he has put in a quality year to this point.

What in the heck happened to Rich Hill? He looked terrible tonight. It was only a matter of time before they touched him.

I think he still would've scored. I was waiting for someone to say Kendall would have dropped it at the plate anyways.

Nice play Murton.

Must be the Theriot of the Rockies.

What exactly does a #3 pitch like? I think those arguing Marquis is not a #3 pitcher have some unrealistic expectations of what a #3 pitcher is. If you compare Marquis to the NL Central (the division in which the Cubs compete), He is actually pitching good enough to be a #2. To go down the list: Marquis 4.18 ERA with a 1.33 WHIP $4.75MM in 2007 Reds -- Arroyo 5-12 4.51 ERA 1.43 WHIP $4.5MM this year 2yr/$25MM extension :shock: Compared to Arroyo, Marquis is the bargain of the century. Astros -- Jennings 2 - 7 6.15 ERA 1.53 WHIP $5.5MM Again Marquis is a relative Bargain. Cardinals (Take your pick) Wells 5.27 ERA 1.56 WHIP $4MM Looper 5.25 ERA 1.41 WHIP $4.5MM Wainwright 4.21 1.47 WHIP $400K Pirates Armas (to start the year?) 6.31 ERA 1.62 WHIP Brewers Suppan 4.84 ERA 1.52 WHIP $6.2MM Capuano 4.96 ERA 1.49 WHIP $3.2MM Although I hate to admit I may have been wrong about the Marquis signing, it looks like Hendry got himself quite the bargain for this year atleast. Stop trying to prove your argument with those things called "stats". 8-) yeah, he sure showed me. the cubs are better than some of the worst pitching staffs in the league. awesome. It was a joke. This whole argument is crazy. Marquis hasn't been great, or terrible, he's been OK. Lets just leave it at that. I agree, Marquis is never going to be the ace of the staff, but he has put in a decent year for the Cubs.

What exactly does a #3 pitch like? I think those arguing Marquis is not a #3 pitcher have some unrealistic expectations of what a #3 pitcher is. If you compare Marquis to the NL Central (the division in which the Cubs compete), He is actually pitching good enough to be a #2. To go down the list: Marquis 4.18 ERA with a 1.33 WHIP $4.75MM in 2007 Reds -- Arroyo 5-12 4.51 ERA 1.43 WHIP $4.5MM this year 2yr/$25MM extension :shock: Compared to Arroyo, Marquis is the bargain of the century. Astros -- Jennings 2 - 7 6.15 ERA 1.53 WHIP $5.5MM Again Marquis is a relative Bargain. Cardinals (Take your pick) Wells 5.27 ERA 1.56 WHIP $4MM Looper 5.25 ERA 1.41 WHIP $4.5MM Wainwright 4.21 1.47 WHIP $400K Pirates Armas (to start the year?) 6.31 ERA 1.62 WHIP Brewers Suppan 4.84 ERA 1.52 WHIP $6.2MM Capuano 4.96 ERA 1.49 WHIP $3.2MM Although I hate to admit I may have been wrong about the Marquis signing, it looks like Hendry got himself quite the bargain for this year atleast. Stop trying to prove your argument with those things called "stats". 8-) yeah, he sure showed me. the cubs are better than some of the worst pitching staffs in the league. awesome. Thanks to Cardsfan for taking the time to dig up the stats for 2006 to show you that Marquis numbers are above avg. for a #3. I would think that before you trash a guy and complain about how bad of a deal he was, you would do some research and have some basis for your argument.

It reminds me of the ESPN.com, Cubs.com message board posts, where poster A would say something extremely stupid just to get a reaction out of other posters.

How in the world would Gallagher get through waivers in the first place? There are many teams that would have put in a claim on him and his potential. That combined with the fact that he is the only pitcher the Cubs have ready to step in if one of the starters gets hurt or goes on the DL, tells me there is no way Hendry would make the deal.

What exactly does a #3 pitch like? I think those arguing Marquis is not a #3 pitcher have some unrealistic expectations of what a #3 pitcher is. If you compare Marquis to the NL Central (the division in which the Cubs compete), He is actually pitching good enough to be a #2. To go down the list: Marquis 4.18 ERA with a 1.33 WHIP $4.75MM in 2007 Reds -- Arroyo 5-12 4.51 ERA 1.43 WHIP $4.5MM this year 2yr/$25MM extension :shock: Compared to Arroyo, Marquis is the bargain of the century. Astros -- Jennings 2 - 7 6.15 ERA 1.53 WHIP $5.5MM Again Marquis is a relative Bargain. Cardinals (Take your pick) Wells 5.27 ERA 1.56 WHIP $4MM Looper 5.25 ERA 1.41 WHIP $4.5MM Wainwright 4.21 1.47 WHIP $400K Pirates Armas (to start the year?) 6.31 ERA 1.62 WHIP Brewers Suppan 4.84 ERA 1.52 WHIP $6.2MM Capuano 4.96 ERA 1.49 WHIP $3.2MM Although I hate to admit I may have been wrong about the Marquis signing, it looks like Hendry got himself quite the bargain for this year atleast.

Murton finally starts hitting and Hendry is looking for a LF'er to replace Soriano? Thankfully, alot of these rumors turn out to be false.

15SB with O CS and a .988 OPS? :shock: Is this the kid that had a ridiculous year in college too? If so, it may be possible that he is figuring things out and the pick could turn out to be a steal.

He would be a better option than Pagan off the bench. Seriously, Murton and Pie had a good night last night, and need to be given an opportunity to live up to their potential, before replacing either one of them with a cagey veteran.

Nice post. :D If Kendall, Jones, Murton, and some others could stay on a hot streak for a couple of weeks, the Cubs can make up for the loss of Soriano.

I wanna know how Floyd has managed to stay relatively healthy for the majority of the year?

What's the problem with that? I don't recall getting fleeced by the A's. Beane has really got Hendry in a tough position. He could demand a king's ransom for an average OF.

Wasn't that big on getting Stewart until I checked out his numbers. The guy is amazingly consistent. This year is almost dead on with his career numbers, and his splits are fairly even. As long as Hendry doesn't mortgage the future, I think Stewart would be a nice addition to the Cubs.