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The Yankees? How many National Championships does FSU have in Football? Two? Please name one other team in the past 20 years that has finished in the top 5 for 15 straight. If not, please name one other team that has played in 3 BCS title games. When you are unable to do that, let me know, and we'll talk about whether the NCAA has declared another other football program a dynasty in the past 20 years. Thanks for playing.

Just to bring this thread back to where it should be, let's talk about how much the NCAA makes arbitrary decisions after 4 years of research.. I want to see who gets fired over this lack of fact-checking. And, on another note, I'm not surprised to see that many of you hate FSU football. It would be tough not to, when the majority are stuck watching bad football. Same reason not many people like the Yankees. I would lose my sanity if I were forced to watch Big (we can't count past) Ten football every weekend either. Thank God for satellite!

Very classy and creative. Why would I expect more from you?

Don't know why I just thought of it, but this reminds me of the South Park where they are forced to abandon the "Cows" mascot and pick between whether or not they want the mascot to be the "Giant Douches" or the "Turd Sandwiches."

Is this speculation or fact? I am not trying to start a whole new debate on this situation, just curious if this has been proven/discussed at any point. It's fact based on speculation. Just joking. It's only a guess, but I do know for sure the University of Illinois and Southeast Missouri State University have never gotten "permission" from tribal groups. And, although it's speculation, I'm fairly certain that that is the case in the majority of cases. Particularly since FSU is usually the only school I ever hear able to claim they have received permission from a tribal group. I also remember (I think) hearing that is the only school who has permission. I remember HBO's Real Sports doing a segment on this and they said it, too -- again, I think that's what they said. But, again, for schools like St. John's , Miami (OH), Stanford and Marquette (I'm missing a lot more to change their nickname must mean they didn't get permission for Native mascots. Actually, C. Michigan also has a deal with the local Chippewa Tribe.

And here's this from a Seminole Indian and FSU grad: The NCAA is going to have quite a few problems getting this taken care of. I don't see this lasting, especially since it won't fully take effect until after the BCS bowls are completed in 2006. The first "meaningful" test will be March Madness next year.

OK, here's some background on the FSU situation: 1. The Seminole Indians are comprised mainly of two tribes, those in Florida and in Oklahoma. The Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma is the group that has constantly raised a stink over the whole issue of Native American mascots. They were the sect that fled (like chickens, a part of their history they ignore as much as possible), leaving behind the other sect to fight the "white men" back in the 1800's. The reason FSU adopted the Seminole Tribe as it's mascot was for the fact of their spirit and will to never give in. Coincidentally, this is the spirit TK is adopting in the fight against the NCAA. 2. If the NCAA has sooooo much to say about this issue, maybe they should take a little trip down to Tallahassee and drive around the city for a while. I'm sure they would see the streets (named by the local government over the past 100+ years), such as Micosukee Rd, Osceola Dr, Seminole Way, etc. and notice there aren't any protestors over the names of the streets, which people build houses on and use everyday. Maybe they can come through the panhandle, visiting towns such as Chattahoochee and Choctaw before coming to Tally. I'm sure they'll stay in the the suburb of Killearn Acres for the evening, as it's a nice country club - and I think there are some Irish living in the area. :roll: 3. Jeb has finally decided to support a cause that is worthwhile on this one, and it could be a serious tipping point. His stance is to uphold any use of a name/symbol/mascot should it be approved by the group. That would be interesting should FSU decide to take this to the courts and use what leverage they can against the NCAA. 4. Before football games (and only football games, because it would be inconvenient to protest other sports), there is always a group of 2-3 Native Americans protesting outside of Doak Campbell Stadium. While this is constantly covered, it is never noted that within 200 feet, there is a group of minimally 50-100 Seminole Indians tailgaiting and handing out information literature on the Seminole Tribe. 5. FSU has ponied up more than a few million (not sure of the exact total) since 1990 for academic scholarships for use at any State of Florida university for Native Americans. Not too shabby, but again, no mention of this ever gets out. 6. The Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma has "offered" to let go of the issue and support the use of the Seminole symbol, but only if FSU is willing to donate percentages of profits and set up scholarships specifically for the OK Seminoles - and only the OK Seminoles. Not too sure, but last I checked this amounted to extortion. 7. Brand is an absolute idiot, on a level similar to W. An Uncle of mine ran a portion of the Indiana University Education Department program, and said that nothing of value ever came from the man. He was politically motivated, and always made sure to put those who could help his causes before those of the students. His lack of focus on education was a reason he was so quick to accept the position at the NCAA, as he was rumored to be ousted at IU. 8. On a less serious note, any idea why this can be such a prickly issue, yet they can't figure out a decent way to have a college football playoff? You would think they would work on things like improving graduation rates, granting additional need-based scholarships, keeping athletes from missing as many days of class as they do, etc. before tackling an issue that really isn't thought of. 9. Also, as someone of Irish decent now living in Chicago, I will make sure that I do everything in my power to protest every Notre Lame event possible, as I'm offended by being lumped in with a group of militant countrymen. Yup, that's where I stand.

Not really a rant, but he's a loser who can't stand to see Sandberg succeed and be welcomed into the Hall. Grow up, Joe.

Furcal is having a horrible year, .229 BA, .281 OBP, .614 OPS. Career prior to this year: .347 OBP, .751 OPS. So the question becomes whether or not the Cubs gamble on Furcal returning to form, Nomar fighting his way out of a couple of off years due to injuries, or turn the job over to Neifi/Ronny and let them hack it out. I wonder how much of the personnel decisions will depend on the manager of the team next year and what effect that will have.

It's pretty ironic that the only one in the pen who would be worth trading for is Sisco, isn't it?

And all 20% of the correct decisions came during his first year as manager.

It's been a good day so far, in spite of the fact that they only seem to be allowing 4 bleacher tix at a time. So far we have 4 for the Red Sox (Sat.), 4 for the White Sox (Sat.), and 4 for the Marlins (Sun.) for the retirement of #23. My main objectives have been reached - everything else is cake.

How would you feel about Matsui, Walker, Aramis, Beltran, Lee, Patterson, Barrett, Dubois? I'm sure that could be arranged if Sammy is shipped out to the Mets for Matsui.

Didn't have a chance to look up the game thread, but I haven't seen him being mentioned by himself either. What were the thoughts on his performance from yesterday? I know he struggled when PH'ing, but did he look comfortable when playing a full game? Any thoughts or discussion on the probablility of him seeing significant playing time next year?

Have you seen or heard from someone who has seen Ben Christiansen in action this year? Is he (once again) a possibility to see sometime in the next year or so at the Friendly Confines?

Bruce- It's early, but Hee Seop Choi is tearing it up down in Florida, and he's much less expensive than Derrek Lee. Is there any reason to think that the Cubs gave up on him too quickly? Was this another of the famous "Dusty won't play the kids?"

Bruce- What did Hendry see in Barrett that made him want him for a long period of time?