lol, yeah, hiding behind optimism, sure. yeah, it sucks, but let's not get carried away. and i never said he couldn't be bad, where in the hell did i say that? you're making [expletive] up now, i'm just not saying "um well, he could be good he could be bad he could be in the middle, eh, i don't know". i'm saying that i think he will be good, don't confuse my non-milquetoast stance with a complete and absurd optimism. Dude you are calling my points stupid because I'm arguing that the Packers game doesnt really tell us much. What other evidence do you have that he is unlikely to be bad? no, i was calling your points stupid because you'd make one and then make a disclaimer statement. yeah, we get it, hanie could be bad or he could be good. no need to say any more.