neely crenshaw

In an attempt to end the garbage and get back on track I'll say this: I am 45 years old. I do not type well. My lack of proper grammar or punctuation has little to do with lack of intelligence or education. It has a lot to do with lack of typing skill. If I were writing a paper or an email to a parent or colleague I would take the time to double check everything, When I am writing on a sports board, I don't. Sometimes I get going on a thought and it runs on. I understand it because I know what I am saying. To someone else it may not. However, if the absolute worst thing you encounter in your life is having trouble with a post on here, you have a pretty good life. If it truly is such a problem for you, then don't read them and don't respond to them. If you can't help yourself, put me as a foe then you will never see me posts. Whatever you choose stop screwing up the threads with personal attacks. It's juvenile and takes away from the board.

The fact is we need to get something every asset we have. We are so thin, and have so many holes, that we can't allow much to slip through without as much compensation as possible. This is especially true of Garza, who because of the team control, is probably our most valuable asset to be traded. Dempster may be better this year, but as a "rent a player", he potentially won't bring as much as Garza can. I don't see the FO giving away Garza at this time for whatever they have set their sights on. If his current situation gets them offers worse than what an off season deal might bring, I think they'll wait.

There's certainly a difference between bad and god awful. When it comes to rating how he has played this year, not sure what else there is, other than maybe the shades of average in between good and bad. If you are talking about potential, or upside, there is more but you have made this about him, and his performance this year. I never bad mouthed the trade or him being here, just feel he won't rebound. Again don't see why that is so awful and it sure seems as though I'm right on that. We won't have a definitive answer until he returns %100 from surgery, which may not be until next year. Right now, in your argument, you have 2008, two weeks in May and his wrist injury as hope that he rounds back into form. A form which for whatever reason, you are adamant that he will regain and that he was showing signs of returning. There is a reason that every team still employs actual field scouts, and they don't just look in the books when deciding on players. My advice, put down baseball prospectus and watch a few games.

Necessary and very informative.

second half of May big guy...we have been talking about his May. We have mentioned several times the fall off after his hot start, and you pasted his entire month of stats, so I posted his 2nd half(of May) stats, in an attempt to show you how 2 weeks skews a stat line. In general when you have several sets of data, and one small section is markedly different than the rest, it's looked at as an anomaly not a change in form, especially when it is surrounded by conflicting data on all sides. Everyone gets hot, but when every other section is beyond bad, it's really hard to find anything to contradict that trend. Although you are trying. His stats suck, unless you cut them down to your small selection of May 2nd to May 14th. Outside of that, he is below .200 BA, and has an OPS of around .550. So if you can argue that his two weeks in May are more meaningful than the other 8 weeks, then you win. Other than those 2 weeks you are simply guessing that he is turning around. Obviously, you can say that I am guessing also. However, I am "guessing" based on watching him this year, seeing his entire year of stats, looking at last year's stats and pretty much all of his mediocre stats from Colorado. "My eyes" and those stats lead me to feel he is never going to even match his numbers from 3 and 4 years ago. Not in Chicago, not even in Colorado. Really only his production, whenever he comes back, can contradict or prove that wrong.

But they seem to be better than your reading of the stat lines on this one. I know you'll bring up the wrist but he was awful, and we will never know exactly what part was him and what was the wrist. Even if he fails when he returns, I'm sure you'll say he never recovered. I'm pretty confident on what I've seen so far. The 2nd half oft he dropped his stat line. he hit .161, with no extra base hits ,277 obp and a ops under .400, so is the first half an indicator of a turn around or the 2nd half an indicator of returning to norm?

excellent trade talk!

The only thing not true is that it was David who brought up the "Trumbo blows" defense. I apologize, my mistake

Yes, but if we are talking about the guy traded to the Dodgers, I am guessing that it did not disguise that it was Hanley Ramirez being talked about nor do I think that anyone went running for the news wire to see who this "Rameriz" is that the Dodgers got in addition to Ramirez. It truly so unimportant in the understanding of thread that it is ridiculous to spend a dozen posts analyzing it. Now again, can we get back to the trade thread?

Don't agree on bouncing back but it's possible. I realize the possibilities are why they took the chance. I just saw a guy pretty lost at the plate, that did not square up many balls in the first 2 months. Maybe the surgery will be the answer. I have doubts but for the team I hope he comes around enough to fill in until Vitters or another answer is ready.

You only posted his partial May line as an indication of turning it around. I fully understand what his stats were and that the hope was he could do something anywhere close to that. I get it. In fact I said many times I get it, and that I get the trade. It does not change what I saw on the field, and that I felt he wasn't going to get there. I felt that it wasn't bad luck nor that a couple good games meant it was coming along. His old stats are a reason to hope he could be that guy, but it isn't a reason to change my opinion of this year. Yes, the stats gave you hope, and I get that. I simply think the drop off and his current play showed he wasn't coming back around.

I don't think it would keep a team from trading for him because of the extra year on his deal. I do think it would cut down on what a club may offer for him because of the unknown of this year. We may be better off waiting until the offseason if we can not get the type of haul the Cubs feel we should get.

Yes, and has a Master's in Education. ^ Very poor sentence structure for someone commenting about grammar. We had a talk about this once . I don't feel the need to "spell and grammar" check my posts for a sports board. It is quite different from a paper or assignment. When I write on here, they are not meant to be sentences, they are statements. I could "bullet" them but really does not matter in scheme of things. I have no idea why you choose to make it an issue. This is a thread about trades, if you don't like or can't/understand my post, THEN DON'T READ THEM. Making these posts simply get in the way of the discussion, and only serve to make you feel better about yourself. I guess this is what I get for being right that rameriz is spelled either ramirez or rameriz. Let's get back to the thread.

What I think you mean to say is, "because you are right and I have no other real argument, so I'll continue to say meaningless drivel to try to hide the fact that I don't know as much as I think." Isn't funny that basically everything that you have a problem with, has turned out in my favor.

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so why the contempt when I simply felt he wasn't hitting in bad luck and that he wasn't going to rebound. you made it personally with your first comment containing "oh, you one of those" and throwing out a 3 week stat line like I had to be ignorant to not get that "Time IS telling, and we can see reality. As pointed out, these are his numbers in May: .246 .338 .456 .795 Surely this will make you reconsider"

It can't be spelled either way? I'll tell several of my students that they can no longer spell it that way. BUT before I do that perhaps you may want to put rameriz into google and see how many people have their name spelled that way. It takes nothing away from the idea of the post, but this certainly does not do much for the thread. You are simply awesome and add much to the conversation.

Ramirez. I know it's a drop in the bucket as far as correcting your posts, but come on man. Seriously you don't know who that is because of an "e". Add something to the thread or don't respond. I really don't feel the need to check spelling when the name can be spelled either way AND it doesn't change the meaning of the post NOR does it "hide" who is being talked about in the post. Now if we were dealing with a Rameriz and also a Ramirez and a Ramirez it would matter.

It's easy to hit when you're not in a slump because then you're hitting so you're not in a slump, but if you aren't hitting it would be hard to hit, because then you'd be in a slump and not hitting. Did you play?I mean really play not some 25 games season in pony ball. If you did you know what this means. Hitters can get completely twisted mentally, and have nothing really wrong with their swings. When this is going on, it is next to impossible to dig yourself out. Pretty funny though.

no actually your original thought was "trumbo blows" and you brought up the pcl. I brought up the fact that ever year when he played at the same level again, his stats went up, and his obp went 20-30 points...when he went to the pcl it went up 70. I thought he usual stats (not including the pcl) of 270-280, 330 obp and 500+ slugging were very possible almost probable. I also thought that dumping marmol's salary even for a guy you had trumbo's last years line would have been fine. It certainly would have been better than volstad for z. and again that awful stat line that isn't good enough for the cubs has an ops better than all but 2 cubs for this, and better than all but one returning player from last year. that would have been a great trade, obviously hindsight helps but it was dismissed immediately when no matter what happened this year it would have been a good trade for the cubs. Now if we were contending, maybe not, but struggling for any players and in no need of an expensive closer, then it would have been fine even if trumbo bombed.

you have this way backwards, you are almost talking about yourself here! I didn't start with stats until I was hit with the line"you state your opinion but have shown no statistics to back it up" so I used them. you used a stat line for less than 3 weeks to stewart was coming out of bad luck. I only showed sinilar stat lines in an attempt to show you haw ridiculous it is to show a slice of stats to prove a point...not to prove mine. I showed you inge's 3 weeks that were better..even though he was done, I showed a 3 week slice from adam dunn's terrible last year to show that even in the absolute worst possible season, you could find a good couple weeks THAT MEAN NOTHING. My showing those stats were to presuade you away from your original taunt of me that read: sounds like a partial line disregrading PA... it's probably more to do the fact that I dared disagree with the hierachy, and was also right. While you keep trying to change the direction to shield the fact that your wrong, and you can't stand it. and for: Colvin had 220 plate appearances in 2011 and was bad. He started 47 games, over half of those after august 1st when he was already deep in a slump. if you have ever played the hardest thing to do is hit when you are not playing regularly, the next hardest is to dig yourself out of a slump, especially when you are mentally struggling..."see adam dunn". I am not saying this was the problem but it was definitely not the best position to put him in or to find out what he could do. 2010 was very solid, and 2012 has been a little better than 2010.

I have never gotten worked up about stewart. I have gotten worked up at people dismissing my thoughts on stewart not improving or hitting in bad luck. That's it. I have never said anyone should replace him and I have always understood the trade-never had a problem with it. and I don't think I have to call Colvin a bum or scrub, or downplay his Colorado stats to back the trade Again my whole point was regardless of babip, a career .235 hitter with a fairly long history is probably a .235 hitter. I added that being a .235 hitter in colorado is not the best trend to show improvement when you go elsewhere. Yet was ridiculed, even dismissed to possibly think he wasn't having bad luck and that he would continue on his pace. As for Dejesus, he has been on a downward trend. At 32, it's not a stretch to say that could continue even moving from oakland to chicago..although that gives one hope he could rebound. He is having a nice year so far. he has certainly been a nice player this year but when you are a 60-65 win team, and at least another season away from being decent, is it as important to run out a 32 year old guy in order to be less awful right now? I said i'd rather have them look at younger guys rather than make sure dejesus and stewart were in the lineup everyday. It was not an indictment of dejesus or signing him, just a thought to find out exactly what some of the younger guys had. I wish they had done that last year, and played LaHair and Colvin nearly everyday rather than fukudome and pena. when you are bad, it doesn't make sense to play vets in order to be less bad. doesn't seem hard to understand on either.

Adds a lot.

Also it seems a possiblity that the trading of rameriz, opens up the trade of johnson to the rangers for olt? the trade may take more, or it may come down to how much heat the marlins take for their salary drops so far. A johnson trade certainly leaves no doubt the marlins are completely starting over.

dejesus would seem like the only everyday option, if they wanted spot help, pinch hitting then johnson and baker could add a bat. maybe LaHair? second base hasn't been great but barney is only a slight upgrade at 2nd over andino. left field and first base seem to be their spots is it bad that i would rather help teams like the orioles and the braves?