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Levine is pretty reliable but I just can't buy this. How is he literally the only one who has heard anything remotely close to this? You'd think at least one other person would be reporting something similar if true. Instead, they're all reporting the complete opposite. It just feels really hard to believe.

You're apparently still mising the point that Bradley surely has stepped on his leg funny countless times (as you've told us all baseball players inevitably will), yet only once has it resulted in a torn ACL. Sounds like that meets any reasonable definition of freak injury. By that logic, every time Bradley has sufferered an injury he hasn't suffered before, it's a freak injury. He must suffer from a lot of "freak injuries", and in that case you could say he's likely to keep suffering these new "freak injuries". When someone says something was a freak injury, that generally implies it's not part of a pattern and shouldn't be considered in any kind of pattern. So if Bradley tears a tendon his finger next season (and hasn't done it in the past) while swinging a bat next season, are we just going to say "meh, it's a freak accident"? It was a freak situation, not a freak injury. So basically you're say that anytime a player suffers an injury that he hasn't suffered before while doing something he's done in the past, it's a freak injury? Derrek Lee breaking his wrist by getting run into was a freak accident. Prior getting hit with a line drive was a freak accident. They are freak accidents because you know there is almost no chance they happen again. Bradley stepping funny on his leg could easily happen again, and based on his fragile body, could result in another similar injury. If he tore his ACL in 2010 while running the bases, would you be saying "holy crap...... that's like impossible! 2 torn acl's in the same lifetime? freaky!". No. How can a torn ACL be a freak accident when athletes suffer them all the time? Have you once turned on ESPN to see them talking about an athlete who suffered a ton ACL and thought to yourself "wow, that's crazy. what are the odds of that happening? No, of course not, because it happens all the time. Well I can certainly appreciate your efforts to escape the fatal flaw in your own logic, but when you've reached the point of calling a pitcher getting hit with a line drive a freak accident, and a 1B colliding with a baserunner a freak accident, yet still maintain that a guy getting tackled by his own manager is not, then it may be time to quit while you're behind. Are you serious? I've already explained to you thatr the cirumstance was freakish, but not the actual trauma his leg suffered. Just for some reason you keep ignoring that I've admitted that and even explained it. We've already been through this. Just because the situation in which the injury occured was weird doesn't mean the actual trauma to his leg was weird. It's not like Bud Black picked him up by his leg and started spinning him around. Getting restrained by Bud Black did not tear his ACL. Catching his leg awkwardly is what tore his ACL. twisting your leg a little bit funny is not a freak accident. Having a baseball hitting your elbow at over 100 MPH is a freakish. You're twisting up what we're discussing here. I've already admitted that the situation was freakish, but not the actual trauma that tore his ACL. Since we're discussing his ability to stay healthy, the circumstance in which his leg got twisted up doesn't matter as much as the fact as that a simple slip of his leg, something that probably happens a lot during a full season, caused his ACL to tear. In the context of this conversation, a torn ACL while slipping as your manager is holding you back is no different than a torn ACL while jumping back to the bag on a pickoff attempt and landing on your leg in the same awkward manner. It's just another example of how somewhat normal types of "trauma" put Bradley on the shelf. No he'd never twist his leg like that while being held back by a manager again, but he could easily twist is like that again by doing something normal and baseball related. I know you're smart enough to understand what I'm saying. You're usually a good posted but for some reason you're just trying to start stuff right now. The fact is that a player could twist his leg like that in any number of ways during a season. The fact that it happened in that situation isn't really relevant to what we're discussing.... which is the ability of Bradley to stay on the field. You know perfectly well that Bradley twisting his leg that slightly could EASILY happen during a regular season and it wouldn't be considered a freak thing. I'll say it again since you you are trying to make this into something it's not. It was a freak situation, not a freak accident. Pitchers almost never get hit on the elbow with a line drive Players almost never get their wrist run into by a guy going full speed Players step awkwardly on their legs during a season Do you really not see the difference? The first 2 clearly weren't due to a player having a tendency of being injured, aka being soft. Tearing your ACL by stepping on your leg a ittle funny could easily be the result of a fragile body.

You're apparently still mising the point that Bradley surely has stepped on his leg funny countless times (as you've told us all baseball players inevitably will), yet only once has it resulted in a torn ACL. Sounds like that meets any reasonable definition of freak injury. By that logic, every time Bradley has sufferered an injury he hasn't suffered before, it's a freak injury. He must suffer from a lot of "freak injuries", and in that case you could say he's likely to keep suffering these new "freak injuries". When someone says something was a freak injury, that generally implies it's not part of a pattern and shouldn't be considered in any kind of pattern. So if Bradley tears a tendon his finger next season (and hasn't done it in the past) while swinging a bat next season, are we just going to say "meh, it's a freak accident"? It was a freak situation, not a freak injury. So basically you're say that anytime a player suffers an injury that he hasn't suffered before while doing something he's done in the past, it's a freak injury? Derrek Lee breaking his wrist by getting run into was a freak accident. Prior getting hit with a line drive was a freak accident. They are freak accidents because you know there is almost no chance they happen again. Bradley stepping funny on his leg could easily happen again, and based on his fragile body, could result in another similar injury. If he tore his ACL in 2010 while running the bases, would you be saying "holy crap...... that's like impossible! 2 torn acl's in the same lifetime? freaky!". No. How can a torn ACL be a freak accident when athletes suffer them all the time? Have you once turned on ESPN to see them talking about an athlete who suffered a ton ACL and thought to yourself "wow, that's crazy. what are the odds of that happening? No, of course not, because it happens all the time.

Oh and just for fun.... RBIs per at-bat last 5 seasons Ibanez .13 .14 .20 .18 .17 Dunn .18 .19 .16 .20 .19 so not only are you dumb for bringing up something as stupid as rbi's, but ibanez isn't even better at it

that is pretty much the worst usage of statistics i've ever seen. my favorite parts were when you talked about rbi's and fielding percentage. plus it was pretty cool that you used counting stats even though they are clearly skewed since dunn has way fewer at-bats due to walking so much. excellent LOL. Whatever. I owned your ass. You said "clearly" twice. There's nothing clear about who's better offensively. Since when are RBIs a bad stat to cite? And when you say that Ibanez is a horrible fielder and I reveal that Dunn is, in fact, worse you should feel somewhat stupid. If I had gone into greater depth, I could have told you that their range factor is about the same and that Ibanez has 19 more assists from the outfield in the last 3 years. You owned my ass? How? By posting skewed counting stats and then stats that don't even have anything to do with juding a player's worth? I mean, seriously, you just used FIELDING PERCENTAGE to argue defense. Not only fielding percenage, but fielding percentage for an outfielder. Yeah, you really "owned" my ass. Do you know what Ryan Braun's 2008 fielding percentage was? wait for it 1.000 So based on what you're arguing you would say that Braun is an elite left fielder, or even the best, right? Anyways, this doesn't even matter since I never even said Ibanez was as bad or worse than Dunn defensively. I said that he's really bad, which he is. I mean, that's just common knowledge. I'm not huge on defensive metrics (I'm talking real defensive metrics, not garbage like fielding percentage, range factor, and assists), but I'm sure they show that he is, in fact, a really bad defender. Is he as bad as Dunn? I don't know, but it doesn't matter since I never said he was. Is he really really bad? Yes. As for offense, you're picking [expletive] stats that don't mean a lot. Slg percentage last 5 seasons Ibanez .472 .436 .516 .480 .479 Dunn .569 .540 .490 .554 .513 OBP last 5 season Ibanez .353 .355 .353 .351 .358 Dunn .388 .387 .365 .386 .386 In Dunn's worst season (by far) of the last 5, his slugging percentage was still better than 4 of Ibanez's last 5 season. His worst OBP was still better than all 5 years od Ibanez. Now, of course these aren't the only stats and you're probably going to argue "but Dunn strikes out a lot and hits for bad average dude!". Yeah, you're right, but none of the other stuff that Ibanez has an advantage in is even close to as relevant as those 2 stats, which represent the 2 main goals of a hitter- get on base (avoid outs) and get as many total bases as possible. Dunn blows Ibanez away in both. I know you'll probably complain about park factors, so here are thier adjusted OPS+ for the last 5 seasons Ibanez 116 115 125 121 124 Dunn 146 141 114 136 129 So yeah, I'd say "clearly" Dunn is the more productive hitter. I'm sure there a ton of other metrics that prove it also, but these seem like the simplest ones for you to understand. The only question is if the difference between Ibanez's "really bad" defense and Dunn's "a little more bad" defense closes the wide gap created by Dunn's advantage in offense. I'm going to go with "no" now who got their ass owned

I think we have different definitions of "freak accident". To me, a freak accident something happened that will pretty much never happen again and is just bad luck and flukey, not that it will happen again and he just won't be injured by it. I think it's the act, not what it results in. Just because it happened under a weird cirumstance doesn't mean it couldn't have happened while doing a normal baseball related activity. Stepping on your leg funny is not a freak occurence, the situation is happened in is. If I had to choose between "bad luck/freak occurance" and "fragile body" for the reason as to why it resulted in a torn ACL, I'd believe the latter due to Bradley's track record.

"we had a couple costly mistakes that i thought were going to cost us" says rivers

whatever, i'd say that's more the colts losing than the chargers winning. they'll be done after next week

you mean the colts player did. none of those calls were bad

i'm pretty sure that's dungy's last game with the colts

norv turner's face in hd no thanks

lolol handing them them the game. what a dumbass

looked like a good call to me

the colts remind me of the braves' run. they won that one championship but pretty much every other year they just completely crap the bed in the playoffs.

My point is that this is a SPORT. They are athletes playing an athletic competetion. You're telling me that a guy stepping on his leg a little awkwardly is a "freak accident". Come on. "Yet somehow only once in however many career games has it resulted in a torn ACL. Huh." It's not about the sepcific injury. Has his injury filled past been the same injury over and over again? No, it's been different things. This is just another one of them. If we're talking about a guy who is healthy every season and then suffers a torn ACL doing something like he did (the actual injury, not the event it happened during), then okay. Maybe you can call that a freak injury. But when a guy who CONSTANTLY gets injured, and then........ gets injured again... you can't really call it a "freak injury". It's just more of the same and a different, new, part of his body that is hurt.

chargers win. good game

here comes the coin toss to determine who goes home

i wouldn't mind seeing the peyton face in OT

Just thinking the exact same thing. there's another one. they're all brunettes with huge racks.

all the chargers cheerleaders are really stacked

that is pretty much the worst usage of statistics i've ever seen. my favorite parts were when you talked about rbi's and fielding percentage. plus it was pretty cool that you used counting stats even though they are clearly skewed since dunn has way fewer at-bats due to walking so much. excellent

The Colts seem like a gimme today, don't they? Superior team facing an average at best team, who might be missing one of their elite players, and the Norv factor. The Chargers won last year in Indianapolis with Philip Rivers, LaDanian Tomlinson and Norv Turner all on the sidelines. Of course, they did have Michael Turner at that time. Rivers played that game (14-19 for 264, 3 TD/1 INT) and Tomlinson played a little bit. I think he was thinking about the NE game the following week when LT and Gates were hurt (sounds familiar) and Rivers was on a torn acl No, I was thinking about the Colts game the week before, as I said. I have a pretty good handle as to what happened in previous Colts games, as does CCP. In the playoff game last year, Rivers left the game and Billy Volek led the Chargers to a game-winning drive. LT rushed seven times the entire game. The Chargers won the game without LT and Rivers at the end. Well by saying they won with Rivers on the sidelines made it sound like you meant he missed the whole game. Semantics, but I'd say "Rivers was on the sideline during the game winning drive." Point is, if Volek was in there the whole game they probably lose

Don't worry about the ACL tear. It was a freak accident. There's basically no chance of him stepping awkwardly on his leg at all in the next few years. That's just flat out bizarre.

The reason he went nuts on the ump was, supposedly (his coach confirmed it, IIRC), the ump made some racist comments. That doesn't necessarily justify anything, but it's a whole lot more understandable than him just thinking it was a bad call. I believe he tore his ACL as his coach was restraining him. Just a freak injury. You can't really call that a freak injury when it happens to a guy who is always hurt. It's just another example of how fragile he is. Line drive off of Prior's elbow was just another example of how fragile he is? I hope you don't really think that's a good comparison, because that's pretty bad. When you get a line drive off your elbow, you expect to get hurt. That's not being fragile. Did you see the Bradley injury? He barely even got his leg twisted or anything. The vast majority of the time, that does not result in a torn ACL.... unless you're really fragile. My grandma took a worse look fall than that a couple weeks ago and she didn't tear anything I mean, come on. Comparing a line drive off the elbow to a harmless looking fall resulting in a torn ACL is pretty ridiculous. How many times does a line drive off the elbow in that same spot result in a fracture? How many time does a fall like Bradley's result in a torn ACL? I wasn't making a comparison, just pointing out ridiculous your generalization was. A more ridiculous comparison was you insinuating that your grandma is less fragile than Bradley because she didn't tear her ACL when she fell. (A fall that was worse than Bradley's!) Yes, the guy has spent a lot of time on the DL, but that doesn't mean he can't be involved in a freak injury or accident. Huh? What ridiculous genaralization did I make? When a guy who constantly gets injured tears his ACL because he stepped funny, that's not a freak accident, period. These are athletes. Do you understand how many times they slide awkwardly, step on a base awkradly, take an awkward step in the outfield, etc? They play everyday, your body takes this kind of stuff. I'm sorry, but stepping awkwardly on your leg during a 162 game baseball season is not even close to being a "freak accident".

Do we really know that our offense is good enough?