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holy collapse

Whats the going rate for a back up infielder? Gm's pay players what they demand that year. If you need a veteran back up infielder, thats what they cost this offseason. Not to be rude but people complaining about Aaron Miles and 2.2m he makes next year have too much time on their hands to complain. Miles salary has very little impact on our team as a whole. Thats the guy Hendry wanted for the bench, he will help the team. If you don't like his salary and think he's getting paid 1m too much. Well that sucks, but thats the market for back up middle infielders. What is worse...complaing about moves... or complaining about people making those complaints on an internet message board? In the offseason you generally discuss offseason moves. If you are upset with people criticizing moves and our beloved GM, ignore them. Nobody is forcing you to read it. Also, the going rate for backup infielders are one year contracts, not 2 years. The 2 years is what makes it looks bad.

I guess the Cardinals 06 World Series win shouldn't really matter either. Winning the division is winning the division, if were gonna say this. Then we can say we got unlucky in 2004, winning 89 games and missing the playoffs, it doesn't work both ways. So when you factor in were we at in 06(due to injuries, Hendry/MacPhail), to how much we improved in 07 it was a successful year. Especially having one of the best records in baseball after June. People can complain all they want about Hendry moves this offseason, it still doesn't take away the fact that he has done a good job the last two years. At this time in 2007, people were assuming Mark DeRosa was gonna be a overpaid bench player, Marquis was gonna have a 5 or 6 era, Lilly was gonna be a overpaid number 4. So I think people should maybe stop assuming so much and thinking their opinion is right and Hendry is wrong. Yes, I think it would be equally silly to praise a GM for assembling an 83 win team in an awful division that won the World Series. Hendry has a huge payroll and won 85 games in a terrible division. That's nice and all, but using it as an argument of why we should give him the benefit of the doubt? Come on. really you're missing the point though. I'm not even trashing Hendry. He has done a nice job over the past couple season. My point is that I think it's dumb to give him a free pass because of that, and for us to just look the other way on moves we don't agree with this offseason because we were great last year and has made some good moves recently. That's silly to me. I don't care what HGM made the moves this offseason, I care about the moves themselves, and I don't like them. Could they end up being good, and could I end up being wrong? Sure. All I'm saying is right now I think the offseason wasn't very good. This is an internet message board. If you don't want to listen to people complain about what looks to be a below average offseason, then it's probably best not to read it. All I know is I'd rather project the moves based on what I think about them than just give them a free pass. That's just as bad, or worse, than people who are criticizing just for the sake of criticizing.

I agree, but it's worse to use that to say "well, we thought this guy woud suck and he turned out good...so maybe this guy won't suck".

I don't get this "benefit of the doubt" stuff. We dsicuss whether or not we like deals based on the move itself, not on who is making them. Theo Epsteing giving Miles 2/5 would be exactly the same as Bill Bavasi giving Miles 2/5. We judge by the move, not the person making it. It just sounds like you want to give hendry a free pass. "Well this move doesn't look good, but we won 97 games last season and we got Ted Lilly the year before" while leaving out the bad moves that he's done in that time. Very few GM's earn free passes, and you're giving one to a guy who doesn't fit that description.

Swisher looks hilarious in that picture

That completely depends on how healthy he is. If he plays half of each season' date=' is that still a great deal?[/quote'] In 2006 and 2007 combined, Bradley played 157 games and was worth about $19.9 million dollars. Link Are we still using that? This is the same formula that said Willie Harris was worth 14.6 mil last year. Not to mention he's almost certainly not going to have a .999 OPS here. Bradley had an .865 OPS in '06 and '07. Also, his value is tied to offense much, much, much more than Willie Harris, and there's much, much, much less room for debate with how accurate the offensive metrics are in measuring value. The Harris number is still an indication of how flawed that stat is on fangraphs. I don't get why people keep using it as a basis for an argument. All the numbers seem highly inflated. But anyways, that 19.9 million figure you came up with is largely in part to him having a .999 OPS last season and a mid .900's OPS in a small amount of ABs the previous season. I think we're more likely looking at an OPS around .900 this season. I thihk people get so caught up in the health/mental questions that they forget that this guy is no guarantee to rake. I think he will be, but I'm not entirely confident. His career numbers are all over the place, even considering bad ballparks.

I completely agree. Where did I ever argue that he is better than Khabi? I never said any of that. I wouldn't even have a problem with starting Khabi every day and making Huet purely a backup. All I'm saying is I don't get why so many people act like Huet is horrible.

llie That completely depends on how healthy he is. If he plays half of each season, is that still a great deal? In 2006 and 2007 combined, Bradley played 157 games and was worth about $19.9 million dollars. Link Are we still using that? This is the same formula that said Willie Harris was worth 14.6 mil last year. Not to mention he's almost certainly not going to have a .999 OPS here.

I don't think it's tired, because it comes up every time Huet plays poorly and Khabi plays well. Which happens all the time! Then why are their numbers so very similar? Didn't you just say this? lolololololool

I don't see anyone here aruging who is better

I would rather see them play Niemi here tomorrow night My point exactly I would rather see them play Niemi here tomorrow night because he is more likely to be able to handle the Blues and if Huet is going to play one of the two nights it should be against the better team on Saturday night. Nice try though. I thought they played Sunday. My fault

That completely depends on how healthy he is. If he plays half of each season, is that still a great deal?

Winning 2 divisions doesn't make a guy exempt from criticism though, especially when the first one of those was an 85 win team that only snuck into the playoffs because of an awful division. It kind of goes along when people said we couldn't criticize Dusty because "he's a 3 time MOY and you guys are just kids on the internet".... or saying we can't criticize George Bush because he's the president and we're not. Plus Hendry has had a ton of resources to work with. I don't see how anything he's done has earned him the right to be exempt from criticism on individual moves.

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All I've read is that Bradley's option is tied to his health, and that he could still miss a significant amount of time(i.e. nothing about 2010 impacts the 2011 option) and still vest his 2011 money. I think it's Cubs option if he plays less than 250 games in the first two years. I'll try to find the exact number. But seriously, aren't these constant complaints about every late signings pat the point of ridiculous already? Oh well. Just ignore it I guess. This stuff usually happens late in the offseason when there is nothing to talk about. Oh, and where did you see the 250 games thing? I haven't heard anything about that.

I read that he only has to spend less than 75 days on the DL in 2009 to guarantee the entire 30. I have no idea if that's true since I never saw it anywhere else, but if it's true that means he can go down with a season ending injury in July and still get the entire 30 million.

I would rather see them play Niemi here tomorrow night My point exactly

This is a couple months old but I don't think it's been posted here. Just another reason Marty is a joke

oh STFU bud

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3899481 well at least you can tell he's actually remorseful, the crying didn't seem fake..... unlike the arod interview where alex came off as a complete phony (different situations, i know.... but still)

I don't get it

This cracked me up. Rob Neyer completely called out Jon Heyman Umm, no he's not. A solid defensive right fielder, I mean. Over the last three seasons, his average Ultimate Zone Rating was minus-12, which is hardly solid. Last year alone it was minus-26, which is simply dreadful. Maybe that number was anomalous. But probably not. He's probably just a really, really bad outfielder at this point in his career. Which is mostly why nobody wanted to pay him anything like the $16 million he made last year. I do think he could be a pretty solid deal at $5 million, depending on the incentives and how often the Angels are able to slot him as their DH. But $5 million at this point in Abreu's career is not obviously a great bargain for the Angels; if he plays this year like he did last year, that's just about what he's worth. Funny how that worked out. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3899973&name=Neyer_Rob