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2017 with fox and no fangio would be funny You just gotta demand better results when you trot out a DB of day 3 picks and UDFA.

agreed forced QB selections that have no business going that high on their own merit is how you turn into the Cleveland Browns. Spend your high picks on elite players. Find a decent QB to play with that team of elite players. I don't disagree with that. If we pick a QB that high though, hopefully he is skilled enough that we shouldn't be worried about ruining him. If thats not the case, yes were back to the point that we forced a QB pick.

Well I wouldnt want two vets if they keeping 3 QBs. So it would be Hoyer or Barkley for me. Possible cost considerations aside, I'd still go Hoyer right now. I mean going into training camp, not the season. But I'd want two vets as a buffer to prevent them from putting a rookie out with these teammates. To protect the rookie?

He would need to play the next 4 games at a relatively high level for me to say that. If you're going to go ahead and spend that early 1st on a QB, and you aren't bringing Cutler back. Then why the hell not start the season with Barkley? Maybe Barkley and Hoyer. Well I wouldnt want two vets if they keeping 3 QBs. So it would be Hoyer or Barkley for me. Possible cost considerations aside, I'd still go Hoyer right now.

Although looking at what Osweilier got, 4 more games of decent football could just make him stupid expensive.

He would need to play the next 4 games at a relatively high level for me to say that.

Man that was a pretty ugly game, but Matt Barkley might actually be a passable backup QB?

They're 4th in point differential, which is a pretty good indicator of future success (fyi - the Warriors have a PD of 12 lol)

Yep. Zobrist followed by some combo of Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarbs. Then Russel. Then some combo of Heyward, Baez, Contreras. I really think it's time to let go of the CF Heyward lineups, for now (unless you're advocating for CF Zobrist or CF Baez?) Shoot. Total brain fart. Make that Baez/Heyward. With Jay/Almora as the third.

I would hope Zobrist becomes our leadoff hitter with Schwarber back inthe lineup. Yep. Zobrist followed by some combo of Bryant, Rizzo, Schwarbs. Then Russel. Then some combo of Heyward, Baez, Contreras.

What is this threshold? Same as the previous first round/second round threshold?

Eh, I think it would need at least one tackle upgrade, like raw said.

Their interior is a strength, but the tackles suck. They can turn the line into something solid. Whitehair and Long should be very good for a long time. But Sitton is going to be 31 next year and his body looks like it may start deteriorating at some point in the near future. I suspect they'll need another guard at least by the end of 2018. As for the tackles, I think either Massie or Leno would be OK if they had a strong tackle on the opposite side of them. Basically, if one of them was clearly the worst OL on the field...then you'd probably have a pretty good line. But it's hard to hide 2 weak spots as you can't leave TEs in or chip w/ RBs on both sides at the same time. Good news- Massie's contract is easy to cut loose. Bad news, this FA class sucks.

I mean its football. You're perpetually in danger of almost any position group being decimated within two years. They definitely need to spend a high pick on a QB, but I dont't think it has to be in the first if you feel really comfortable with the alternatives and its an impact position. Wish there was a more premier LT prospect this year. They should also consider a 4th round QB as well ala Washington when they went RG3/Cousins.

Yea, Cutlers money is meaningless. They could probably leave $16m of cap on the table this year with his cap hit, let alone without it. If the Bears dont like a QB top 3, I wonder if they will entertain trade offers... could be a good opportunity to do so.

Romo as a stopgap is my guess Think Romo ends up in Denver So we get Hoyer?

i had an awful drive into las vegas today and i figured the best way to kill time was to download today's episodes of carmen and jurko and waddle and silvy and this is pretty much all they talked about. i find the story oddly riveting. at first i thought "oh that sucks for fenwick but tough horsefeathers" but then someone read on air the bylaw you're talking about and one could argue that the game was over and the refs screw up created a play (plainfield's untimed down) that should've never existed. you do some mental gymnastics from that perspective and overturning the game doesn't violate the bylaw because the refs had no power to "rule" in favor of plainfield in the first place. idk it made more sense in my head edit: it was also pretty hilarious that @thekapman insisted if he were a plainfield player/parent he would "100%" do the right thing and insist that fenwick goes to the state championship. Its a tricky situation. If that extra play is at the end of the second half and the other team loses the game by a FG do they have grounds to appeal too? I'm no fan of slippery slope arguments, and I don't think it would set a precedent for every judgement call to come under review, but its interesting situation. Just sucks it happened at all as the refs really should have known the rule.

I thought the guy from NC had passed Kizer on most boards?

I follow a IL HS football message board and a guy on the board who refs said this one gets covered all the time in training too, and was reemphasized after OK St CMU. They definitely should have known. Fwiw those refs were supposed to red the 3A title game and are no longer doing so.

Shouldn't have been an untimed down Eta - the official wording Rule 3 Section 3 Article 4: A period shall not be extended by an untimed down if one of the following occurred during a down in which time expires: b. There was a foul by either team and the penalty is accepted for: 3. fouls that include loss of down (such as intentional grounding)

So kind of crazy story in Illinois HS football has been going on this week. Fenwick and Plainfield North played the 7A State semifinal game last Saturday. In the waining seconds of the game, Fenwick was up 3 on 4th down in their own terrritory. They decided to run an intentional grounding play to run out the clock by just heaving the ball downfield. This should have ended the game as the clock ran down to zero by the end of the throw. The refs conversed for 5-10 minutes and awarded Plainfield a untimed play, which they used to kick a game tying field goal. Plainfield went on to win in OT and advance to the State Championship game. The IHSA issues a statement admitting the call was incorrect and apologizing, but wont overturn the game due to a bylaw which states the officials rulings are final. Fenwick first attempted an official appeal to the IHSA which was not heard. Now they have filed a lawsuit against the IHSA. Needless to say its caused a bit of controversey, with even major media personalities like Kaplan weighing in, saying Plainfield should step aside and allow Fenwick to play in the State Championship. Obviously a lot going on. First off, from a strategy perspective, I don't think that was the best clock killer (hold like hell and run around for a few seconds, for one). Then you add in the lawsuit and the stakes of the chance to play in a state title game. Curious to see what people think. Every sports fan has bitched about officiating at some point, but this is one of the rare times an official can legitimately be said decided the outcome.

Is one of these guys gonna be worth that investment?

From the defensive standpoint, MCW was filling that roll pretty well before the injury.

I never truely hated the pick, more annoyed. The progress is encouraging, thats for sure.

I may he crazy, but I'd want to keep Almora, but I guess for the right deal you bite the bullet. Baez I keep even if he doesnt have a starting spot penciled in.