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  1. WrigleyField 22
    Take on Parsons deal. He's got 2/50 left on it. That gets you from 7 to 4, plus the 32nd pick, and maybe a protected future 1st as well. Are they severely up against the luxury tax or something?
  2. WrigleyField 22
    There's no value in that 22nd pick, it might get them to 6 at best. They'd have to include an unconditional #1 next year to get into top 4 range. Yeah, the 22nd pick doesn't have that much value. I don't think the pick for next year's draft would have to be unconditional to move up. You could probably put some limited protection on it, but all teams know the Bulls will probably be better next year so that pick would most likely fall somewhere in the 10-15 range. The package would have to be this year's pick + next year's pick (limited protection) + probably B. Portis + maybe a 2nd round pick down the road. It would hurt to move up. Interestingly, Bobby Portis was pick 22 which is about as good of a turnout you could realistically hope for with that level pick. I'm not sure I like any attempt to move up. I'd rather take two swings at building assets.
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    That said, theres more than one way to go about this. Miami (first chanouonship) and Boston are two examples of teams turning a bunch of very good but not great assets into trade fodder and a NBA championship (they both also had a mid-lotto cornerstone, let's just call Lauri that and assume he continues to develop for the sake of this arguement). Bulls had a chance to do that too if not for a no trade clause from Kobe, some overvaluing of assets (Gasol), and undervaluing of other assets because of the luxury tax. Obviously neither Miami or Boston built a dynasty with that approach and if you wanna be in there year-in and year-out you need a Lebron, Durant, Curry, but if that's the goal... well yea, not much you can do. That being the case, if the Bulls want a volume approach they have to stop selling picks and start buying picks. So I'm not overall that hopeful.
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    I like Porter, but we need to be careful about drafting players with back issues. I'm sure the Bulls will do a full physical and MRI on him. I want to avoid drafting a player who is chronically injured. Porter has a high ceiling, but he also has a low floor (could bust). We all remember how much potential Jabari Parker had, and injuries have taken their toll on him. He's not the same player anymore and that's why Milwaukee will let him walk. I am worried about Porter's health and slightly above-average athleticism. There's the problem with where the Bulls are at and where they are drafting. They have no superstar, no go-to guy, they go safe and they might get a 5th guy in their rotation or more likely 6th-7th man. That does nothing. They need a superstar, they've failed miserably at getting that in FA, they need to do it in the draft. They're probably better off having the pick bust and stay around 25 wins rather than drafting a guy who might help them get to 30 wins. I want them to draft guys with the highest ceilings, if that comes with the biggest risk, it's what they have to do. Drafting for high potential is one thing, but if chronic injury concerns are a component of the risk, it's a whole additional thing.
  5. WrigleyField 22
    Lol bolls.
  6. WrigleyField 22
    JFC. I've been trying to wear away at my wife (a Sox fan) to name or first born Javi and she wont give in. WHHYY
  7. WrigleyField 22
    That's potentially fair, but if you're doing the all inclusive Mexico trip like I'm imaging David did, that's definitely like 60% the point, otherwise you could do much cooler things.
  8. WrigleyField 22
    Why not just draft a true guard then? Because it's literally the exact same job minus snapping the ball? Well that's not exactly true.
  9. WrigleyField 22
    Rough cut at depth chart post-draft. All UDFAs asterisked. This is at 88, so they have 2 more open spots without any other cuts. DL, OT, RB, or S could use additional depth. OLB could use more quality depth, but there is no shortage of bodies. Blue I see as locks or near-locks, which number 37. So the bubble guys are competing for 16 spots (plus PS spots).
  10. WrigleyField 22
    Upgrade to Kevin White at the WR6 spot.
  11. WrigleyField 22
    So decent athlete/size, but sounds like he plays a little stiff?
  12. WrigleyField 22
    It just means they'll be bottom 5 in turnovers for the 12th straight* year, but I dont think they'll give up a lot of yards or points. *citation needed
  13. WrigleyField 22
    Not really. 139th best player according to my favorite ranking site. Picked 115. My Steelers fan buddy thinks he was their target at the end of this round. Not sure why they drafted a 2nd ILB though. Definitely not a "need" pick If you can't find the edge guy you like nothing wrong with loading up inside if you like the guy better. Play to your strengths. But maybe they won't play him inside. I think Vic is going to be forced to try and get pass rush from the inside...
  14. WrigleyField 22
    Maybe they think this is Trevathan's last year as a Bear? Yeah, very real possibility. Would be going into the last year of his deal in 2019, no more guaranteed money. If he can't play 16 games this coming year, they may look to move on, especially with a potential stud LB already on the roster. Kwiatkoski is also a FA after 2019. He has to be pretty upset right now though. Yea I'd say 50/50 odds on Danny T in 2019.
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    Not really. 139th best player according to my favorite ranking site. Picked 115. My Steelers fan buddy thinks he was their target at the end of this round. Not sure why they drafted a 2nd ILB though. Definitely not a "need" pick Obviously Edge is the biggest need. Outside of that, everything else is pretty close at this point, IMO.
  16. WrigleyField 22
    Pace with the middle finger to size and hard on for athleticism this draft.
  17. WrigleyField 22
    So I'm kind of walking myself into being on board with the trade last night. I think we definitely needed to add a high level WR prospect at some point over the next year, and so we paid the 4th to do it now instead of next year. Why do I like getting the pick a year early? The Bears should be thinking about the next 3-4 years as their first serious window. Mitch should be well underpaid for his production, and the overall cap outlook is comfortable enough that they can maintain some agressiveness in FA. To that point this year will likely still be a bit of a transition year (hopefully competing for playoff spot, but not serious SB contender), but it gets that high level WR prospect in here now so that he doesn't lose a year of development time that aligns perfectly with the Mitch Trubisky rookie scale window. So I think this year and even next will be our window to pay that "time value" premium. Now some people probably think we need to be more serious contenders first. But I dont see it that way, you want to be out ahead of your potential curve in order to maximize it (because rookies take development time). Then around 2021/22 when Mitch is maybe the highest paid player in football you go the other direction and start trading down or into the future for more depth and take swings later on. So that's how I've backed into my justification and I'm sticking to it.
  18. WrigleyField 22
    Draftteks day 3 mock (comments are my own) Rd 4- Josh Sweat, EDGE, FSU Nice length and athleticism, and three year producer st FSU. Would like this pick. Rd 5- Kevin Toliver II, CB, LSU Big bodied CB (6'2"), but li backed production. Always ma ki es sense to add DB depth though. Rd 6- Christian LaCouture, DE, LSU Seems kind of like a ho-hum DL prospect. Older prospects. No elite traits. Good production over 4 years. Fills a need though. Rd 7- KC McDermott, OT, Miami Meh. But most 7th rounders are meh. Sounds like a future Bradley Sowell if all hits. All in all something like that would be okay with me. Obviously you dont really want to draft on need on day 3, but those would all hit some needs on some level.
  19. WrigleyField 22
    Most the "new" models I've seen would make that 4th more valuable relative to the second...basically making this trade impossible to "win". But I dont also totally agree with some of those new models, either. When the wage gap between early and late picks is drastically cut, I don't see how the value would skew toward the later picks. Most the new charts have looked at historical value, and the drop off between mid 2nd and fourth isn't that great, at least speaking on that macro, historical view.
  20. WrigleyField 22
    the traditional chart is basically worthless with the rookie scale though but you did say fwiw Most the "new" models I've seen would make that 4th more valuable relative to the second...basically making this trade impossible to "win". But I dont also totally agree with some of those new models, either.
  21. WrigleyField 22
    So without taking into account any "time value" premium on the trade the Bears would have to finish top 6 in the league for this to be an even trade on the traditional trade chart. Fwiw.
  22. WrigleyField 22
    David still wants to know the relevance of the other 4th. I forgot. will you forgive me? What are you asking forgiveness for?
  23. WrigleyField 22
    i have no idea what you're saying at the time that trade was made, they knew exactly who was available and who they'd be able to take. a player of the caliber/fit that they apparently perceive miller to be may or may not be available with that pick next year. they gave up a 4th and swapped 2nds (yes, a later 2nd than they are likely to have next year - but that is negated by the fact that they know their player is there when they make the move) to make sure they got that player and they got him a year sooner than that guy they'd take next year. and i still have no clue what point you were making by saying we had 2 4th rounders this year they gave up a (more likely) primo 2nd and 4th for a (more likely) lesser 2nd. Got it. my point stands. David still wants to know the relevance of the other 4th.
  24. WrigleyField 22
    basically the same as saying we gave up a future 4th round pick for a guy we like now; nothing really. you stated that waiting to draft next year was rolling the dice. horsefeathers, we're rolling the dice now. i have no idea what you're saying at the time that trade was made, they knew exactly who was available and who they'd be able to take. a player of the caliber/fit that they apparently perceive miller to be may or may not be available with that pick next year. they gave up a 4th and swapped 2nds (yes, a later 2nd than they are likely to have next year - but that is negated by the fact that they know their player is there when they make the move) to make sure they got that player and they got him a year sooner than that guy they'd take next year. and i still have no clue what point you were making by saying we had 2 4th rounders this year Well yea, basically fans tend to love picks, I think. But when you trade up you aren't trading for a pick, but a player. GMs tend to love players (but will take picks when they don't love a player)
  25. WrigleyField 22
    yea. they hated the possibility of Meredith's recovery and felt White gave them a better chance. If they kept Meredith, it would have been Meredith vs White in camp. #8 probably would have been a reach for Ridley or trade down for Ridley/Sutton or later draft WR. what dont you get 1. Why you think White has anything to do with anything 2. Why you came in all hot like you called your shot when WR as a top 3 need for this team was the popular opinion of every Bears fan in existence.
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