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I sent this article to the dugout guys. The response email? hahahahhahahaha We really should have a thread devoted to these. I'm procrastinating by looking at old ones. Dugout of Unusual Size Picks to Click

In comparison to Pujols, yes. No, in comparison to himself. "Past his prime", I think, is the term that we're using. You're missing the point. When comparing Ramirez and Rolen, you have to take into effect that Ramirez will likely improve and Rolen will likely plateau or decline because of their ages. The same holds true for Lee and Pujols, even though no one has really compared who will be better going forward(correct answer: Pujols). I don't necessarily buy into the idea of Derrek Lee suddenly declining because of his age. I think he's FOUND his prime. Some find it later than others. That's why this whole discussion of Ramirez' prime versus Rolen's prime is completely arbitrary, in my mind. We don't know when their prime was, is, or will be. There are exceptions(Luis Gonzalez, come on down), but when you're predicting performance over several years, assuming that someone is an exception isn't the way to go.

one of those 3 or RJ

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trade for Gomes now before he really goes off

In comparison to Pujols, yes. No, in comparison to himself. "Past his prime", I think, is the term that we're using. You're missing the point. When comparing Ramirez and Rolen, you have to take into effect that Ramirez will likely improve and Rolen will likely plateau or decline because of their ages. The same holds true for Lee and Pujols, even though no one has really compared who will be better going forward(correct answer: Pujols).

In comparison to Pujols, yes.

aaahh...I dont get this post..clarification??? http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/jon22.html

Of course they would, because they would be hardcore fleecing us. Forget Aardsma and EPatt, Williams for Zito is a deal you may not want to make. If it's the difference between us making or missing the playoffs, I'd do it. A marginal starting pitching upgrade(if that, and forgetting the financial/service time disadvantages) isn't going to be what keeps us out of the playoffs. Adding in Aardsma and EPatt makes it highway robbery.

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Because if we don't go after Jones, then he signs with KC, which eliminates that offer?

Of course they would, because they would be hardcore fleecing us. Forget Aardsma and EPatt, Williams for Zito is a deal you may not want to make.

What about the other affiliates? Iowa is the only team with gameday. That database sounds pretty amazing. They'll all be available. The data for gameday is there for all levels. We'll also be able to import 2005 data, as well. Oh yeah, major league data, too. Wow, that's terrific.

What about the other affiliates? Iowa is the only team with gameday. That database sounds pretty amazing.

How are you going to give him 4-5 million? Unless you can somehow convince him to cut his salary in half before the arbitration deadline, you're going to be paying him at least the 9 million he gets this year. Convince him. Isn't a team option? Can it not be bought out? This year is the option year, it vested with IP requirements.

WOW. I didnt know Pie's OBP was that much higher than his BA. I know this is only 52PA, but this is a really encouraging sign. Im impressed. Brownie on the other hand is really lmaking me scratch my head. That's helped alot by his HBP and intentional walk yesterday. But his BB/K ratio is very good and much improved so far. That didn't include the HBP yesterday. I must've messed up somewhere though(it was a quick calculation without sacrifices and such), BA has him at .348/.418/.565/.983, EPatt at .341/.391/.585/.977

How are you going to give him 4-5 million? Unless you can somehow convince him to cut his salary in half before the arbitration deadline, you're going to be paying him at least the 9 million he gets this year.

There is nothing available out there to back up that statement. And Ramirez's .189 BA to start this year isn't helping his case in this discussion. OPS - Rolen Career .891 for Rolen, .808 for Ramirez Offense - Rolen The numbers back up Rolen here...almost across the board. AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS...all favor Rolen. Defense - Rolen No question. Baserunning - Rolen 94 career steals compared to 9 for Ramirez. Health - Ramirez Slight edge to Ramirez, but both have had injury issues. Age - Ramirez Ramirez is 3 yrs. younger than Rolen. Ramirez has been in the league 8 years. To say he hasn't entered his prime yet might be offbase. He may be right in the middle of his prime considering 2004 and 2005 were his best statistically speaking. Rolen has had his best years recently as well. How much does either player have left? Who knows? And if you include this season's very small sample size, Ramirez's stats are on the slight decline...OPS, BA, OBP, SLG... are all down from 2004 to 2005 to 2006. Did Ramirez peak in 2004? Rolen in a heartbeat. I'd take the better player with better stats over a guy who is just a few years younger. If you use career numbers for similar players who are aged 31 and 27, it's almost always going to favor the 31 year old because they've had more of their prime years. Last 3 years Rolen: .289/.384/.533/.917 Ramirez: .296/.350/.532/.882 Rolen is the superior defensive player. Rolen has had the superior career so far. Going forward, I'd take Ramirez, because he's entering his prime while Rolen is leaving his in addition to the uncertainty that Rolen can regain his offensive prowess coming off a serious shoulder injury.

That thread was started as a joke, no one really thinks Edmonds does steroids.

Don't bring Maddux back.

First it was the last week of April, then it was first week of May, now its speculated to be the second week of May. Slowly the time table goes further and further away. Makes me wonder if, even with the knee setback, he could have been ready much earlier if he wasn't pitching in a futile attempt to finish .500 last year. Uh, I think it's always been thought the last week in April if things were ahead of schedule, first week in May with no setbacks, and second week in May if there were difficulties/they wanted to take it slow. This isn't different than what's been said.

This reminds me of the story where Maddux let Bagwell break up a shutout by launching a home run so that later in the season in a more crucial situation(happened to be the playoffs) he knew Bagwell would be looking for that and got him out. Crafty guy that Maddux.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's making a fool out of himself. Last time I checked, he was in the top 10 in OBP. Just because of IBBs. Those are still walks. If they want to make him ineffective, they need to challenge him.

My guess he's getting the info from the Gameday provided for AAA games this year.

Would you mind doing Daytona as a team? If so, then Karen could do Peoria, and Raw and I can fight for the two upper level teams. I put together a quick spreadsheet(download here) to make it easier to tally, and I could also try to make an effort to post the handedness of the opponents before the start of a series to make for faster tabulation(we could have a thread for this purpose). Any other thoughts or volunteers?