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What? The guy was getting blocked and jumped to put his hand in the passing lane. It was also a pick play on 3rd down with 1 read that was wide open.

I think it's possible. Like if they just get embarrassed against Detroit, it could be as high as 50/50. And no I don't care about what they've done in the past because every situation is unique. Who would become the coach? Lazor? I'm guessing Mike Pettine. He has experience as a HC. Though, I could see some value in seeing if Lazor or DeFilippo could run a team (especially if it happens this week) with 13 games to go, as there would still be time to turn things around in this season. And either of those guys could be potentially be a long-term hire if things go extremely well, while Pettine would certainly not ever be more than an interim.

Can't believe the Bears have killed my excitement for the best QB prospect they've ever had just 2 starts into his career. I have no excitement for the game today. I have no expectations. Honestly, if Fields wasn't playing, I'd just be watching the Titans today. I hope Fields shows what he did in the preseason against the league's worst pass defense, but I don't expect it and am certainly not predicting it. And it's not even because of him.

Nagy playing chess is moving the "horsey thing in an L" because it's cool to do. The 2nd sentence I don't really agree with. I mean, yeah, he has never really addressed the OL in free agency, but he did use 3 top 75 picks on OL in his first 3 years. He didn't address the position for a couple years after the Daniels pick, but he added 2 of his first 3 picks this year on OL and then brought in a HOF LT (granted, well past his prime) when those guys got injured. The DL has been really good so far though, and Mack has looked amazing the last 2 weeks, especially. Edit: now that I think about it, the knight's motion kinda resembles a curl route. 3 spaces out, then turn and sit there. I guess the picks haven’t worked out well. That’s on Pace. Drafting the tackle (can’t think of his name) with known back problems who then proceeds to have surgery and sit out the year hurts. Boren got hurt in game 1. I think Mustipher was an UDFA who needs to develop. Hopefully Daniels can get back to form. Peters is past his prime but praying he’s got some gas left. Ifedi…I really don’t know if there’s an upside Borom was hurt in camp as well. But yeah, the picks haven't been great for Pace. Grasu was horrible. Daniels is mediocre. But Whitehair was a solid pick. I'm going to give Jenkins a chance. The trade up was by far the worst thing about that pick. And Borom looks like he can actually start in this league in limited viewing. In Pace's tenure, the Bears have actually typically had 4/5 of their OL be homegrown. Of course, a lot of snaps have been used on 7th round picks and UDFAs (Leno, Mustipher, Coward, Bars). But virtually no money has been spent on the OL, outside of Massie and retaining their own guys.

Nagy playing chess is moving the "horsey thing in an L" because it's cool to do. The 2nd sentence I don't really agree with. I mean, yeah, he has never really addressed the OL in free agency, but he did use 3 top 75 picks on OL in his first 3 years. He didn't address the position for a couple years after the Daniels pick, but he added 2 of his first 3 picks this year on OL and then brought in a HOF LT (granted, well past his prime) when those guys got injured. The DL has been really good so far though, and Mack has looked amazing the last 2 weeks, especially. Edit: now that I think about it, the knight's motion kinda resembles a curl route. 3 spaces out, then turn and sit there.

I would still prefer them to play in Chicago if all things are equal but my ultimate preference is a state of the art retractable (or just enclosed) stadium with a capacity that reflects the size of Chicago (aka not the smallest capacity in the NFL like Soldier Field is) and can host the types of events that go to other cities like the Big Ten Championship game, not to mention Final Four and an occasional Super Bowl. And if that can only be done in Arlington Heights, lets do it. Watch the McCaskey's blow it and do an open-air stadium because they believe in the meatball concept of Bear Weather. Yeah, I don't care about any of that stuff. It doesn't benefit me in anyway.

Maybe because I'm not in the area anymore. Maybe because I have no emotional connection to Soldier Field and have no memories of going there (been to 1 game, don't really remember anything about it. Might have actually been preseason). But I really don't care about where the Bears play.

Limited in practice again yesterday. He's day-to-day, just like Teven Jenkins.

I mean, the point wasn't about Nagy having Dungy's career success just having his style of coaching, lead the team while letting young coordinators develop into star coaching prospects and get credit for it. Edit: not hating on Dungy because it was his defense that the coordinators taught/coached. But I think Nagy could teach his offense and someone else have more success with it by simply having a better feel for the game (Lazor already did this against poor competition).

To be fair, our only data point for Dalton not facing the Rams is the ~1 half he got against the Bengals when he had a 118 QB rating, so we haven't quite disproven that yet. But I'm almost certain we will as soon as he gets back to starting. I see your 118 QB rating and raise you, 7 points scored.

Now this is a post I can agree with. I actually think Nagy can be an acceptable coach (in a Tony Dungy situation where he's the figurehead that lets his coordinators call the shots on gameday). And I think Pace could be an acceptable GM based on talent evaluation, if he starts valuing draft picks. But they are both problems, but they aren't the only problems. There's problems everywhere. I don't think they're disasterous problems, but obviously they will continue to be problems without serious changes in philosophies.

Totally agree. It’s way too complicated to learn the offense coupled with a bad OL - and he’s gonna get killed. I think both of those points are a bunch of loaded BS. Seriously take a step back and look at the line running the same offense last year that wasn't very good and managed a 5.5 sack rate, middle of road. There are actually some solutions for the line issues from yesterday. Why the hell some of those solutions weren't employed, or barely at all, I don't know, but I think people are letting a horrific edge of the bell curve day from the line do a little bit too much heavy lifting for a line that played about as expected the first two games. Obviously the line personnel is a bit different than last years personnel, but not by that much. This! There are worse OLs in the league. The Bears themselves have had worse, as recently as last year. And neither last year's Bears or historically worse OLs have managed only 47 yards in a full football game.

I would have strongly disagreed with that take before yesterday, and I probably still disagree but I'm more open to this way of thinking. That said, I am no football savant and have no idea if it would really do any damage. But he sure looked rattled out there late in the game which is not something I expected from Fields, even as a rookie QB making his first start. Yeah, yesterday was pretty bad. It's hard to even say that Fields would have been better yesterday had he had time with the 1s before last week or if he got a legit chance to compete for the job in camp. But it couldn't have been any worse.

Yea I'm not expecting much from Lazor. His play calling run was a cake walk. But it would also apparently be a pretty low hurdle to clear over Nagy. But also I find the idea that Pace (or McCaskey even!) should be "marching down to Nagy's office" and demanding he give playcalling to Lazor very silly. Naw, just horsefeathering fire him them. I don't necessarily think that Lazor would miraculously make this a good offense but I do think it would be improved over what we've seen. They don't even have to be "good". I know it doesn't seem like it, but the defense is still good enough that they can win more games than they lose if they can score efficiently. They have failed to score TDs on 4 of 7 redzone trips this year. They also have had multiple TD passes dropped and penalties/sacks taking them out of FG range. I mean that wouldn't have made any difference against LA and Cleveland, but that could be the difference in beating the Minnesotas, Detroits, and Vegases of the league, who are varying levels of an even playing field with the Bears.

Aaron Rodgers fell to 24th. Lamar Jackson went 32nd. Deshaun Watson was the top college QB prospect for 2 years, and went 12th. horsefeathers happens all the time, man. None of those guys were "better prospects than Peyton Manning." And for every one of them, there's a dozen guys picked around those spots who flame out I mean, you literally quoted the post and misquoted me. I never said "better" than Peyton Manning. I said on the same level. Also, I don't see the point you think you are making. They were very widely considered the top prospects at their position, until the draft came and for whatever reasons they all fell, like Fields did. It seems like you are being contrarian for contrarian sake. Because people have "seen it" for the last 4-5 years who actually get paid to "see it" (HS ratings people, college recruiters, college coaches, Heisman voters, college poll votes, NFL scouts) have said this and you "not seeing it" is very clearly you choosing not to see it. When you don't know what you are talking about, maybe defer to those that do, especially when the extent of your evaluation is "I don't see it" and you are arguing actual facts like Fields being the 3rd fastest timed QB in the league right now.

Of course, then there's this thread. Maybe he wasn't holding onto the ball too long. And definitely not a lot of open guys running around. Sent from my SM-A115AZ using Tapatalk

After a re-watch, I will actually absolve Nagy of a little bit. He actually did move the pocket more than I thought. The Browns were really well coached for when he did though as he did almost nothing outside of the pocket, just like he did nothing in the pocket. I'd say a good 3-4 of his sacks, he held onto the ball too long. Nagy called a couple RPOs which is a pretty simple read for the QB and a play Fields has run 1000 times between Ohio St, Georgia, NFL and probably high school. But on the 2nd sack, he made the right read (fake to RB) but for some reason didn't take Mooney on the slant. Last year, he would have hit Garrett Wilson in stride on that play and he probably would have scored on a bad college secondary. Here's a pretty good breakdown of every non-handoff snap. Some are a little nitpicky. But most are pretty spot on. [MEDIA=youtube]d9cExOBNjO4[/MEDIA] Run 1 - Nothing really open for Fields so he scrambles for a decent gain. Sack 1 - The OL blocking on this is atrocious but so is Fields pocket presence. You can see the pocket collapsing right away but the Browns have zero contain. Instead of scrambling to his right where he can run or throw if the defender breaks down on him, Fields just stands there waiting for the sack. The dude has no pocket awareness on this play and this will be a theme where he just takes too long to see things. Pass 1 - One of the few times he throws on time likely because the Browns play soft coverage. Sack 2 - Freeze this at 37 seconds. Fields is looking at Mooney who is open for an easy pass. Instead Fields holds it for some inexplicable reason and is sacked. Like again, this is the horsefeathering NFL. You can't just sit there waiting for something better. Mooney has completely beat his man and if Fields throws this with anticipation Mooney is still running. If this is Dalton the ball is already out. Sorry Bears fans, the kid is not ready. Sack 3 - Freeze at 49 seconds. Again what the horsefeathers is Fields reading? He has Mooney open again in the middle of the Field with room to run but he still holds the ball and takes another sack. This is the NFL, windows don't stay open for long. This ball has to come out dude. Period. Pass 2 - One of the few times Fields threw on time and surprise it is completed. Pass 3 - Fields is late on this throw which causes the defender to close down on ARob. To his credit, he then squeezes this in but if he had thrown it on time then ARob catches it with a chance at YAC. Pass 4 - Easy read and Fields sails it. No biggie horsefeathers happens. At least he actually threw on time. Sack 4 - Freeze this at 1:35. Kmet has planted his foot and Fields is at the end of his drop. Again the ball has to come out. Kmet is going to be NFL open if Fields throws this on time but once again he waits and runs himself into a sack. That is 4 sacks now and all 4 of them could have been avoided if Fields were more decisive. He simply can't wait this long in the NFL with the OL we have. This is not OSU playing Shitball U. Pass 5 - This is Fields predetermining throws. Kmet is bracketed and if he was fast thinking, he should know that means Monty has no one on him in the flat even if he isn't looking at him because the 2nd guy on Kmet is Monty's guy. So why the horsefeathers do you throw to Kmet instead of whipping it to Monty and letting him try and make a guy miss. Pass 6 - Kmet is open if Fields looks left but instead again he is just a tad too late on this throw to Mooney for this to work. Not as late as on other throws so won't knock him much on this as he also had a defender in his face but he has to throw as the WR is breaking not after. Sack 5 - At this point, I don't know what he is being coached to do but there is nothing on the front side. He has to know Kmet is chipping then releasing so he has to pivot to that side faster. You are at the end of your drop, if you don't like anything on the front side then get your eyes over to the back side where Kmet is open with space for a modest gain. You can't just stay on the route and wait for it to be open. It either is or isn't and with this OL, if it isn't then move the horsefeathers on to the backside. Pass 7 - The rollouts people clamoring for and no one is horsefeathering fooled probably because why would they as if you don't have success in the pocket, teams will be looking for the rollout. Having said that, this is a good throw on the move by Fields but Goodwin doesn't come back to the ball and lets the defender get over him for the tip. It is clear that the OL and WRs are not helping Fields out at all. Sack 6 - Freeze at 2:36, Kmet is about to flash across the defender and there will be a little window. Fields hesitates though and the window is gone. The horsefeathers OL means he now has to scramble but gets tackled from behind. Again, another play where the blocking is not great but again Fields has to make a decision quicker here. Stop hesitating and throw the ball. Pass 8 - Another roll-out that fools absolutely no one. But again, bad decision by Fields. He thinks he is going to juke Garrett and realizes he is fucked and then throws incomplete. There is nothing on the front side here. Monty is open on the backside but Fields isn't fast enough to think about what the front side being shut down means for the backside and thinks he is playing Shitball U where he can juke the DE instead of reversing field and checking backside. Nope. This is the NFL. Pass 9 - No idea why he think he can make this throw. Once again man open on the backside but Fields never makes his way there. Pass 10 - Probably his best throw of the day to ARob. Pass 11 - Throws on time to Monty who can't come down with it. At least it was on time and once again his teammates don't help him out. Run 1 - Not a good zone read at all as it fools no one. Fields lucky he didn't get killed on a bit of a late hit. Sack 7 - Another roll out that fools no one. I hope people realize that this is the NFL and this idea that teams aren't going to be prepared for rollouts of a mobile QB who is struggling within the pocket is foolish. The Browns read it so well that Fields slips for a huge loss. This is the problem with roll outs when they fail. They can easily lead to huge losses and this probably costs us a TD. Pass 12 - Takes what the D gives him and Monty runs for 11 yards or so. If only he had done more of this. Pass 13 - Nothing really open here so he tries to squeeze this in to ARob. Probably should have just taken off as he has a lane. Pass 14 - This feels like he is scared of the rush and just throws it instead of checking other reads. Incomplete and no chance. He has ARob or Kmet open on the backside if he had bothered to check or he could have run it as he has an open lane. Run 2 - Decent gain on the read option. Pass 15 - This is still actually a tad too late but not a bad pass. Pass 16 - Again this throw is a tad late which allows the defender to knock it away. Sack 8 - No chance on this one as the rush gets to him before he can finish his drop. Pass 17 - Freeze this at 5:25, and ARob is one on one at the top of the screen. Take your shot young man. Instead he dumps it to Monty who makes a nice gain. But you would like to see him recognize the one on one and give ARob a chance to make a play. Pass 18 - Freeze this at 5:38 and Kmet has the LB flat footed and his about to blow by him with Fields looking down the middle of the field. Fields doesn't pull the trigger and checks down to Monty incomplete. Again those are the types of throws he was drafted to make. The throws he was squeeze into Jesse James in camp. Those are NFL windows he is refusing to hit. Pass 19 - Does well to avoid the sack and throws it away. Pass 20 - Again not sure what he is seeing. Mooney is flashing across his vision with a few steps on his guy and if he leads him, Mooney probably runs for a first down. Instead he holds the ball and makes a tougher throw to ARob that is out of bounds. Sack 9 - No chance on this one.

Maybe if talent = arm only. Cutler has a better arm, but Fields has shown better in literally every other aspect of quarterbacking than Cutler and he runs a 4.4. 5-star recruit, 2nd rated HS football recruit to Trevor Lawrence, who he beat in a Nike camp for MVP, and in the national playoffs last year. Trevor Lawrence was seen on the Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning level of QB prospects and Justin Fields was better than him every time they were on the same field. OK, so the guy who is *better* than a Peyton Manning-level prospect somehow fell to No. 11. This is the kind of hype train I'm just not seeing. Aaron Rodgers fell to 24th. Lamar Jackson went 32nd. Deshaun Watson was the top college QB prospect for 2 years, and went 12th. horsefeathers happens all the time, man.

Maybe if talent = arm only. Cutler has a better arm, but Fields has shown better in literally every other aspect of quarterbacking than Cutler and he runs a 4.4. I think you're selling Cutler short. The arm definitely went a long way but he had a great reputation for leadership and general chutzpah at the QB position as a 4 year starter in the SEC who was basically the only draftable player on the roster the entire time. I'd even go as far as saying he was a great college QB in a sense, just kinda scraped his career in before offenses exploded on an SEC team without an SEC roster Eh. Cutler's reputation for leadership wasn't good, at least at the NFL level. Not sure what his teammates in college thought, though. And the Bears alone drafted 2 of his teammates from Vanderbilt (one in the 1st round). Cutler was great in college and a great prospect. I think he also went 11th in the draft, like Fields. But Fields was rated the 2nd best prospect for the last 4 years to a generational prospect.

Maybe if talent = arm only. Cutler has a better arm, but Fields has shown better in literally every other aspect of quarterbacking than Cutler and he runs a 4.4. 5-star recruit, 2nd rated HS football recruit to Trevor Lawrence, who he beat in a Nike camp for MVP, and in the national playoffs last year. Trevor Lawrence was seen on the Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning level of QB prospects and Justin Fields was better than him every time they were on the same field.

Yeah, complaining about the run game is akin to complaining about the defense today. They barely had the ball on offense, were behind all day, and were in long down and distances all game with being sacked every series. …at least part of that was because they never bothered to try to establish the run. 1st drive- 4 plays, all runs 2nd drive- 1st play sack, ran 2nd and 20 3rd drive- ran 1st down for 1 yard, sacked 2nd play (and 3rd play) 4th drive- 9 yard pass on 1st, ran 2nd and 1, 9 yard pass on 1st, threw 2nd and 1, false start on 3rd and 1 taking them out of a run situation 5th drive- passed all 3 times to open half trying to get something going on offense, I guess. 6th drive- 9 play FG drive, dropped back on the first 7 plays (1 holding call). Then ran wildcat, got 5 yards and threw final 2 plays 7th drive- Down 20-6 at this point, but tried to pass all 4 plays 8th drive- Ran 1st play, never again in final 7 plays. That 2nd FG drive (6th drive), maybe they should have run the ball more, especially once they got the PI call and got inside the 10 on a 5-yard run. But I think they did somewhat try to establish the run. But they literally got sacked on 3 of the first 4 drop backs. Can't establish the run on 2nd and 20. Probably don't want to try to establish the run after a 1-yard run on 1st down either.

I don't think anyone has said he's a sure thing. What Bears fans are "acting like" is open to interpretation. But what is clear is he is the most talented QB the Bears have ever had on the roster in their 102 years of existence. But I also think most of us are aware what happened to the last guy that with great talent (Cutler). I don't think Fields is a sure thing, but he's as close to a sure thing as the Bears have ever had And if he fails, I think it will say more about the organization as a whole than him as a talent. Today was exhibit A, sure Garrett had and the Browns D had a great day, blah, blah, blah but, Nagy was 80% of reason why they had such a great day. Fields was bad today. But there was almost literally no chance he could have been anything but. The times he wasn't immediately pressured, he held onto the ball too long. But part of why he held onto the ball too long is because of the shitty route concepts. The Browns, IIRC, were the worst rated secondary in the league thru 2 weeks (I know, they played the Chiefs Week 1), but they were able to sit at the sticks all day because they knew the Bears couldn't block them long enough and even if they didn't they knew Nagy wouldn't call anything other than curl routes.

Yeah, complaining about the run game is akin to complaining about the defense today. They barely had the ball on offense, were behind all day, and were in long down and distances all game with being sacked every series.

I'm not here to form opinions on Fields right now because it's way too early. But I don't get why Bears fans are acting like Fields is some sure thing. I don't think anyone has said he's a sure thing. What Bears fans are "acting like" is open to interpretation. But what is clear is he is the most talented QB the Bears have ever had on the roster in their 102 years of existence. But I also think most of us are aware what happened to the last guy that with great talent (Cutler). I don't think Fields is a sure thing, but he's as close to a sure thing as the Bears have ever had And if he fails, I think it will say more about the organization as a whole than him as a talent.

not going to seriously reply to this because you’re just doing Kyle things but fields is literally one of the fastest people that has ever played quarterback in the nfl Is he playing hurt or something? Maybe he's just never run full speed as a Bear yet. One of the best rushing plays I can remember seeing from him so far is this one at 4:21: It's nice, but it doesn't make me go "holy crap, that guy is one of the fastest NFL QBs of all time" He's literally the 3rd fastest timed QB in the league right now. Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray are faster (historically add Vick and I can't even think who else), that's literally it. He also had like the 3rd fastest run in the preseason in terms of MPH. There are also several well publicized reasons why he's an elite prospect. If you don't see why, you should flip that rock over and join the rest of civilization.