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Wow on Landry. I'm pretty sure I've never seen him below 10-12. That would be quite the steal for the Giants. I like that he has the Titans taking Meachem. If Ginn and Calvin are gone (quite obviously Calvin will be), I think Meachem's my favorite. Not real high on Jarrett.

I'm quite upset. Earlier in the week they had the Titans/Rams Super Bowl listed as playing, but now they're showing this. It's a great game, but I was ready to watch the Titans/Rams. Oh well. I wonder why they're not showing it. 40+ minutes in TOP for the Giants. That's one way to keep the offense of your opponent off the field. I can't figure why they're not. I was looking forward to watching my team come grotesquely close to tying the Super Bowl and heading to overtime, but falling just short. On the TOP, I love those types of offense. Some people call them boring, but there's nothing like watching a running back hit the holes created by his line all the way down the field.

I'm quite upset. Earlier in the week they had the Titans/Rams Super Bowl listed as playing, but now they're showing this. It's a great game, but I was ready to watch the Titans/Rams. Oh well.

That's just silly. You can't expect the media to miss a day of hype. Plus, with an 8:30 pm interview session they might miss dinner. :lol: It's still silly. If I were the Colts, I'd arrive an extra day late just to make 'em more mad. What's the penalty for showing up late I wonder? The opposing team automatically starts every drive at the offending team's 25 yard line :D Good, more time for the Colt offense to be on the field. 8-) 25 yards? No room for Rextacy to throw bombs to Berrian. We'd just come up with 42 yard field goals on every drive. We'd lose 42-18 or something. (All 18 points are on field goals) Works fine for me. :wink:

That's just silly. You can't expect the media to miss a day of hype. Plus, with an 8:30 pm interview session they might miss dinner. :lol: It's still silly. If I were the Colts, I'd arrive an extra day late just to make 'em more mad. What's the penalty for showing up late I wonder? The opposing team automatically starts every drive at the offending team's 25 yard line :D Good, more time for the Colt offense to be on the field. 8-)

That's just silly. You can't expect the media to miss a day of hype. Plus, with an 8:30 pm interview session they might miss dinner. :lol: It's still silly. If I were the Colts, I'd arrive an extra day late just to make 'em more mad. What's the penalty for showing up late I wonder? Penalty is forfeiture of the game. BEARS win the Super Bowl! That's even more silly. And I'm referring to both parts of your post. :D

That's just silly. You can't expect the media to miss a day of hype. Plus, with an 8:30 pm interview session they might miss dinner. :lol: It's still silly. If I were the Colts, I'd arrive an extra day late just to make 'em more mad. What's the penalty for showing up late I wonder?

That's just silly.

He's so solid, despite his age. You can trace the turnaround of the Bears back to when Angelo acquired Tait, Brown, and Freddy Miller. Before that we had trouble blocking anyone. Fred Miller was great for the Titans most of the time he was here, but he and Brad Hopkins had no answer whatsoever for Freeney and Mathis. The frequent thing that would happen is the Colt DEs would just run right around the older, slower tackles. You are correct though about him, when he's not facing a speed freak, he's great.

Probably not a first rounder, but he might get you a 2nd rounder. I wonder if any team would be interested in Jones and Wale together. How old is Jones? I wouldn't trade much for a backup RB as they are probably the easiest thing to find. Jones came into the league the same year as Urlacher, so he has been around a little while. I think he is definitly worth a #2 though. He is not a back-up running back. He would start for a lot of teams. 1300-1400 yard running backs are not that common. He did it last year, and he would have done it this year, but the Bears gave Benson a lot of carries towards the end of the season. Also if he can play well next Sunday and the Bears win the Super Bowl, his value goes up. The demand always seems to be higher for guys coming off a Super Bowl win. I think Wale can get us a 2nd round pick as well. I doubt Jones draws a second round pick. He compares very favorably to Travis Henry, who is the same age and came into the league a year after Jones. Jones' career numbers are 5,384 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons were (all w/Bears) 948, 1335 and 1210 yards. Henry's career numbers are 5,395 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons (2 w/Bills and this year w/Titans) were 1438, 1356 and 1211 yards. The Titans gave a third round pick and we paid much more than anybody was offering because we didn't want the Jags to acquire him. I think I recall the Jags being the top bidder before us, offering a fourth (I think). The only reason Jones might draw more is that the Bills had Willis McGahee and Henry was clearly the backup, Jones, while not clearly the backup, is being forced out by Benson. Both are starter material without much question, though I view Henry as slightly better. Agreed-especially since there were rumors that the Colts couldn't even get a second round pick for Edgerrin when he was trying to work out his own trade a little while ago-I doubt it's changed that much then to let Thomas Jones a 2nd rounder. The highest pick I think in a long while for a RB was a late 2nd for Dillon while in his late prime. Yeah, Edgerrin's better than Henry or Jones and he couldn't even draw a second. I could see a third for Jones, but more likely a fourth. It's simply too easy to find a solid running back. Edge only brought a 3rd to Indy because Arizona also had to give him a monster contract. Not many teams will give up more than a third for the right to pay a running back a ton of money. If he had a team friendly deal like TJ, the Colts would have gotten much more than a #3 for him. Travis Henry is a decent compairison, but I know teams avoided him as a character risk. I'm not much for rumor mongering on the internet, but you would not believe the stories I heard about him from a former Bills coach. I think there is a very good shot the Bears could get a late 2nd for TJ, but maybe it would be a third. Also, I don't think they would really have to replace him. A-Pete would be a solid #2 running back, getting 2 series a game. About Wale, I wouldn't necessarily trade him, but I would rather spend his money on Briggs or extending T. Harris than keeping Wale. I would have no problem if they could deal him for a 3rd. Use the saved money towards a Briggs deal, let Idionje (spelling?) play behind Anderson and Brown, and also have a 3rd round pick out of the deal. My question would be, who was the last running back to be traded for higher than a third round pick? I have no idea, and you very well may be right, but I think this is a bit of a unique situation as well. I can't think of very many quality running backs who have been traded at all recently, and I already noted the differences between TJ and Edge and Henry. I know the Packers got a #2 for Javon Walker, who I believe only had 1 good season in his career to that point, and he did it with Favre passing him the ball. A Super Bowl MVP trophy would do wonders for TJ's value, though! Wide receivers are far more valuable than running backs because they are in far less supply. It's not as simple to pick up some random receiver from the street and have him be productive as it is to sign some random tailback and have him be productive. Walker had only one 1,000-yard receiving season before the trade, but he had 716 yards and nine TDs in 03 and is a former first-round (and highly touted) pick not so long ago. Jones, on the other hand, is a former first rounder who was thought to be a bust after leaving Arizona, but resurrected his career somewhat in Chicago. His value is not extremely high, but you're right that it would likely increase with a Super Bowl trophy (too bad he won't get it this year :D ). Ultimately, if there was a team in need of a running back and the free agent crop were low (not sure how this one stands), Jones could pull a third. I doubt any more.

Probably not a first rounder, but he might get you a 2nd rounder. I wonder if any team would be interested in Jones and Wale together. How old is Jones? I wouldn't trade much for a backup RB as they are probably the easiest thing to find. Jones came into the league the same year as Urlacher, so he has been around a little while. I think he is definitly worth a #2 though. He is not a back-up running back. He would start for a lot of teams. 1300-1400 yard running backs are not that common. He did it last year, and he would have done it this year, but the Bears gave Benson a lot of carries towards the end of the season. Also if he can play well next Sunday and the Bears win the Super Bowl, his value goes up. The demand always seems to be higher for guys coming off a Super Bowl win. I think Wale can get us a 2nd round pick as well. I doubt Jones draws a second round pick. He compares very favorably to Travis Henry, who is the same age and came into the league a year after Jones. Jones' career numbers are 5,384 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons were (all w/Bears) 948, 1335 and 1210 yards. Henry's career numbers are 5,395 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons (2 w/Bills and this year w/Titans) were 1438, 1356 and 1211 yards. The Titans gave a third round pick and we paid much more than anybody was offering because we didn't want the Jags to acquire him. I think I recall the Jags being the top bidder before us, offering a fourth (I think). The only reason Jones might draw more is that the Bills had Willis McGahee and Henry was clearly the backup, Jones, while not clearly the backup, is being forced out by Benson. Both are starter material without much question, though I view Henry as slightly better. Agreed-especially since there were rumors that the Colts couldn't even get a second round pick for Edgerrin when he was trying to work out his own trade a little while ago-I doubt it's changed that much then to let Thomas Jones a 2nd rounder. The highest pick I think in a long while for a RB was a late 2nd for Dillon while in his late prime. Yeah, Edgerrin's better than Henry or Jones and he couldn't even draw a second. I could see a third for Jones, but more likely a fourth. It's simply too easy to find a solid running back. Edge only brought a 3rd to Indy because Arizona also had to give him a monster contract. Not many teams will give up more than a third for the right to pay a running back a ton of money. If he had a team friendly deal like TJ, the Colts would have gotten much more than a #3 for him. Travis Henry is a decent compairison, but I know teams avoided him as a character risk. I'm not much for rumor mongering on the internet, but you would not believe the stories I heard about him from a former Bills coach. I think there is a very good shot the Bears could get a late 2nd for TJ, but maybe it would be a third. Also, I don't think they would really have to replace him. A-Pete would be a solid #2 running back, getting 2 series a game. About Wale, I wouldn't necessarily trade him, but I would rather spend his money on Briggs or extending T. Harris than keeping Wale. I would have no problem if they could deal him for a 3rd. Use the saved money towards a Briggs deal, let Idionje (spelling?) play behind Anderson and Brown, and also have a 3rd round pick out of the deal. My question would be, who was the last running back to be traded for higher than a third round pick? There just simply aren't that many that are traded for more because it's not hard to find a solid running back like Henry, Jones, etc. If you have them, they're valuable, but they simply aren't worth a lot in trades. Henry did have some character issues at the time of the trade, but with his talent level (almost 2800 yards combined in his second and third seasons, I believe) if he were worth a second round pick, I couldn't see his value dropping below a third rounder. The Titans were the only ones that would go that high and that's only after they saw a deal was imminent with the Jags for a fourth rounder. The Titans also were looking to deal Chris Brown (1064 yards and 6 TDs in 04) and couldn't get a third rounder. Due to injury history, but with age on his side (he's three years younger than Jones), I would say he's only a little less valuable than Jones.

That would likely be better than any option. Good news.

And like I said, I would prefer a Jacque/Theriot platoon for center, but if Jacque is traded and Stewart can prove he's healthy, I don't see why he would be a better option than Fuld/Walker. Certainly not a great option or my ideal option, but perhaps as adequate a placeholder as we're going to find (outside of Church) at this point. My argument was that he'd be better than Fuld/Walker and Pagan.

It's certainly possible that he could be very good, but you're going to have to accept that he won't break many long runs, and he'll have his limitations. I saw Jones make at least three runs where there's just no way Benson could've broken them like Jones did. He'll have more positive yardage plays, but not as many where he bounces outside or uses a burst to bust a big run. It's true that he won't break as many long runs to the outside, but what he will bring is staying on his feet in situations where Jones may go down. Meaning, he'll break more tackles going up the middle and therefore will break possibly as many long runs as Jones, just up the middle instead of outside. When the Titans had Eddie George this was the situation (and hopefully LenDale White will now fill it), George didn't have the speed to break long runs outside, but as the game wore on, his pounding up the middle would take effect and he'd break some long runs right up the middle. It would be good to have more of a speed back to complement Benson's power.

If he still has injury problems lingering, or wants a big money deal then there's the reason why he's not a good option. If he's (at least) mostly healthy and can be had for a very cheap, one-year deal, I still say give him a shot.

The Jays began to phase Vernon Wells into the lineup and CF starting in 1999. He didn't play significantly early, but I think I recall them shifting Stewart in preparation of Wells' emergence. Then, when he was traded to the Twins, they had Torii Hunter already and had no reason to put Stewart there.

If you can pick up a great one, though, you've got something special. LT, Larry Johnson, etc. are special types of backs who aren't easily replaced. I don't have a problem when a team takes a running back high that it believes could be special.

Probably not a first rounder, but he might get you a 2nd rounder. I wonder if any team would be interested in Jones and Wale together. How old is Jones? I wouldn't trade much for a backup RB as they are probably the easiest thing to find. Well, he's a starter. How did the carries by each Bear RB breakdown? Thomas Jones had 296 carries for 1210 yards in the regular season. Cedric Benson had 157 carries for 647 yards in the regular season. There's a steep drop off after that. In the postseason, TJ has 40 carries, while Ced has 36, so it's much more even, but TJ has a 4.7ypc while Ced only has 2.9. Thanks. I think the Bears could replace his production easy enough. He does seem to have stepped it up a bit in the playoffs but I have also seen some huge holes that the line has given him. It would actually be Benson's production that the Bears would have to replace. If Jones is dealt, I could see Benson coming near or matching Jones' numbers from last year. The key would be finding a solid backup to match Benson's 647 yards. Or Benson would have to be damn near 2000 yds. Which seems likely... 8-[ That o-line better step it up next year for that to happen. :) I like Benson and think he could be a very good running back. Were it me in charge of the Bears, I'd let Jones go if he's not willing to take a backup role next year. It's time for Benson to take the feature back role.

A large part of that is simply the variability of pro football. Look at the Bears/Seahawks games and Colts/Patriots games for example. Did the Bears and the Colts really prove they were the better team? They deserve to go and possibly be called champions, definitely. At the same time, both of those games were so close that 1 play changed the outcome of the game entirely-when that's the case with teams, it's hard to say that somebody was really off by picking the other side. Isn't it amazing to think that if just 1 or 2 very small things go differently, this could be say a Chargers-Saints SB? I can tell you one thing, I'm glad that for this year, those things did not go differently :D. What "very small thing" makes up a 25 point difference in the Saints game? The Seahawks have much more of a case for what you're talking about than New Orleans. I'm saying that the Seahwaks beat the Bears, and then I believe the Saints beat the Seahawks due to the matchups. That's why I didn't put the Seahawks in my Super Bowl matchup. Fair enough, although I think the very thing you're discussing means you can't make that assumption about the Saints beating the Seahawks. The Seahawks came very close to beating the Bears, who stomped the Saints. I do get your point though. That's really just the nature of sports though. That's how an 83 win team wins the World Series. Did the Cardinals prove that they were a better team, or did were they simply hot at the right time? If Detroit doesn't make some of those pitching errors, what happens then? Florida was nowhere near the best team in college football last season, but they were also unquestionably (as much as I hate to say it) the most deserving to be National Champions. The key in sports is not to match up the two best, it's matching up the two most deserving.

Probably not a first rounder, but he might get you a 2nd rounder. I wonder if any team would be interested in Jones and Wale together. How old is Jones? I wouldn't trade much for a backup RB as they are probably the easiest thing to find. Well, he's a starter. How did the carries by each Bear RB breakdown? Thomas Jones had 296 carries for 1210 yards in the regular season. Cedric Benson had 157 carries for 647 yards in the regular season. There's a steep drop off after that. In the postseason, TJ has 40 carries, while Ced has 36, so it's much more even, but TJ has a 4.7ypc while Ced only has 2.9. Thanks. I think the Bears could replace his production easy enough. He does seem to have stepped it up a bit in the playoffs but I have also seen some huge holes that the line has given him. It would actually be Benson's production that the Bears would have to replace. If Jones is dealt, I could see Benson coming near or matching Jones' numbers from last year. The key would be finding a solid backup to match Benson's 647 yards.

Probably not a first rounder, but he might get you a 2nd rounder. I wonder if any team would be interested in Jones and Wale together. How old is Jones? I wouldn't trade much for a backup RB as they are probably the easiest thing to find. Jones came into the league the same year as Urlacher, so he has been around a little while. I think he is definitly worth a #2 though. He is not a back-up running back. He would start for a lot of teams. 1300-1400 yard running backs are not that common. He did it last year, and he would have done it this year, but the Bears gave Benson a lot of carries towards the end of the season. Also if he can play well next Sunday and the Bears win the Super Bowl, his value goes up. The demand always seems to be higher for guys coming off a Super Bowl win. I think Wale can get us a 2nd round pick as well. I doubt Jones draws a second round pick. He compares very favorably to Travis Henry, who is the same age and came into the league a year after Jones. Jones' career numbers are 5,384 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons were (all w/Bears) 948, 1335 and 1210 yards. Henry's career numbers are 5,395 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons (2 w/Bills and this year w/Titans) were 1438, 1356 and 1211 yards. The Titans gave a third round pick and we paid much more than anybody was offering because we didn't want the Jags to acquire him. I think I recall the Jags being the top bidder before us, offering a fourth (I think). The only reason Jones might draw more is that the Bills had Willis McGahee and Henry was clearly the backup, Jones, while not clearly the backup, is being forced out by Benson. Both are starter material without much question, though I view Henry as slightly better. Agreed-especially since there were rumors that the Colts couldn't even get a second round pick for Edgerrin when he was trying to work out his own trade a little while ago-I doubt it's changed that much then to let Thomas Jones a 2nd rounder. The highest pick I think in a long while for a RB was a late 2nd for Dillon while in his late prime. Yeah, Edgerrin's better than Henry or Jones and he couldn't even draw a second. I could see a third for Jones, but more likely a fourth. It's simply too easy to find a solid running back.

Probably not a first rounder, but he might get you a 2nd rounder. I wonder if any team would be interested in Jones and Wale together. How old is Jones? I wouldn't trade much for a backup RB as they are probably the easiest thing to find. Jones came into the league the same year as Urlacher, so he has been around a little while. I think he is definitly worth a #2 though. He is not a back-up running back. He would start for a lot of teams. 1300-1400 yard running backs are not that common. He did it last year, and he would have done it this year, but the Bears gave Benson a lot of carries towards the end of the season. Also if he can play well next Sunday and the Bears win the Super Bowl, his value goes up. The demand always seems to be higher for guys coming off a Super Bowl win. I think Wale can get us a 2nd round pick as well. I doubt Jones draws a second round pick. He compares very favorably to Travis Henry, who is the same age and came into the league a year after Jones. Jones' career numbers are 5,384 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons were (all w/Bears) 948, 1335 and 1210 yards. Henry's career numbers are 5,395 yards and 34 TDs and his best three seasons (2 w/Bills and this year w/Titans) were 1438, 1356 and 1211 yards. The Titans gave a third round pick and we paid much more than anybody was offering because we didn't want the Jags to acquire him. I think I recall the Jags being the top bidder before us, offering a fourth (I think). The only reason Jones might draw more is that the Bills had Willis McGahee and Henry was clearly the backup, Jones, while not clearly the backup, is being forced out by Benson. Both are starter material without much question, though I view Henry as slightly better.

Neither was Adam Greenberg. All I saying, if the Cubs won't consider Soriano, or a platoon of Jones/Theriot in CF, Walker or Fuld would be BETTER option then going after Bernie Williams or Steve Finley. How would they be a better option than Shannon Stewart? The last couple of seasons haven't been so hot for him (though he was hurt last season and only played 44 games) but from 97-04 he never had an OBP below .360 and he peaked at .380. Granted, he's 33 and 2005's numbers (.274, .323, .388) may be the norm, but if he could do anything close to 04's .380 OBP for half a season, he'd be far, far better than Fuld, Walker, Pagan, etc. There is some risk involved, and granted I'd prefer a Jones/Theriot platoon, but I see no reason why Stewart is not a much better bet than Fuld/Walker.

Excellent news. I saw that earlier, but the Titans site said that the Cowboys hadn't asked yet but even if they did, we wouldn't grant it. I don't think Fisher would leave at this point. He's got a good young team and Floyd Reese (who he never got along with) is gone. There are not very many better jobs out there right now, in my opinion (no offense Cowboy fans :wink: ). And he doesn't have to deal with TO. That's part of why I think the Titan job is better, no TO and the worst you have to deal with is Pacman. Though I'll admit, dealing with Pacman is tough enough, he has no discipline and takes little responsibility for his actions.

Excellent news. I saw that earlier, but the Titans site said that the Cowboys hadn't asked yet but even if they did, we wouldn't grant it. I don't think Fisher would leave at this point. He's got a good young team and Floyd Reese (who he never got along with) is gone. There are not very many better jobs out there right now, in my opinion (no offense Cowboy fans :wink: ).