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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-30-11
Outshined_One replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
I think their perception can be broken into two parts. The first part is that the Cubs system has taken a step back this year due to injuries and slumps. The only real breakouts we had this year were Robert Whitenack and Matt Szczur. Even those prospects who've showed improvement have only marginally improved their stock. The Astros system hasn't had as much success, but their struggles have not been as noteworthy or newsworthy. That brings me to the second point: name recognition. The lower levels of the Cubs' system is made up of a lot of unknowns. As exciting and intriguing Peralta/Liria/Cruz/Wang/et al. are, I don't think most people who follow the minors know who they are, much less how much potential they have. Wells gets some attention for his signing bonus, but that's about it. Folty and DeShields were high profile draft picks. Altuve and Martinez have been in the minors for awhile. While Baez got some attention in the draft, Springer got a ton since he was on TV and people were discussing him as a potential Top 5 pick prior to this season. I don't agree with them, but I see where they're coming from on that. Since we're here, how would you rank Peralta, Cruz, Wang, and Liria? -
Furbush for Fister
Outshined_One replied to Cubs Fan Dan's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Heh. Knobler. Fister's a really underrated pickup for the Tigers. His underlying numbers are solid. -
Box Scores Iowa lost 6-3 Box Score CF B. Jackson 1/3, BB, R, RBI, HR (3), K 2B DJ LeMahieu 0/4, K, CS (3) 1B B. LaHair 0/4, K LF L. Montanez 1/4, K RF B. Snyder 1/4 3B S. Moore 0/3, BB, R C S. Clevenger 3/4, RBI, 2 2B (3), K SS M. Gonzalez 1/3, R, RBI, HR (2) SP N. Struck 5 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 6 K, WP, 0-9 GO-FO RP C. Smith 1 perfect, 1 K, 1-0 GO-FO RP C. Carpenter 1.1 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1-1 GO-FO RP S. Maine .2 perfect, 1 K, 1-0 GO-FO Tennessee won 8-2 Box Score SS N. Samson 1/5, 2 R, 2 RBI 3B J. Vitters 1/5, CS (7) DH R. Ridling 1/4, BB RF M. Spencer 0/4, BB, R, 3 K C L. Flores 1/4, BB, R, 2B (6) SP B. Raley 4 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, HR, 9-1 GO-FO RP O. Martinez 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 1-2 GO-FO RP J. Stevens 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 0-3 GO-FO RP R. Dolis 1 perfect, 1 K, 1-0 GO-FO Daytona won 3-2 Box Score CF E. Crawford 0/4, 3 K SS L. Watkins 1/4, R, K 1B G. Rohan 0/4, K DH J. Bour 1/3, BB, R, 2B (24) PR/DH M. Szczur 0/0, R LF A. Abreu 0/4, 2 K RF N. Perez 0/3, 2 K SP B. Wallach 5.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 4-6 GO-FO RP A. Kurcz 1.1 perfect, 3 K, 0-1 GO-FO RP L. Suarez 2 perfect, 4-1 GO-FO Peoria won 3-1 Box Score CF T. Easterling 1/3, RBI, 2 K 2B R. Silva 1/4, 2B (13), K 1B D. Geiger 0/4, 2 K DH R. Jones 1/4, R, 2 K C M. Gibbs 0/2, 2 BB, K SS E. Soto 0/1, BB, RBI, K, CS (6) LF B. Klafczynski 0/3, BB, K 3B A. Alcantara 2/3, R, 2B (12) SP M. Loosen 5 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, HR, 3-4 GO-FO RP P. Francescon 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 2-3 GO-FO Boise lost 8-7 Box Score 2B Z. DeVoss 0/3, BB, R, K, HBP, E (4, missed catch) CF PC Chen 2/4, R, K DH R. Lopez 1/4, R, 2 RBI, HR (4) 1B P. Hoilman 2/5, R, RBI, 2 K C Y. Cabezas 0/5, K, E (2, throw), PB (3) RF R. Golden 2/4, 2 R, 2 RBI, HR (2) 3B W. Contreras 1/4, 2 RBI, 2B (2), K LF B. Springfield 1/4, BB, R, K, Assist (3B) SP SM Jung 1 IP, 0 H, 4 R, 1 ER, 4 BB, 0 K, 2-2 GO-FO RP C. Greathouse 3.1 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 5 BB, 6 K, 5-1 GO-FO RP C. Thomas 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K Both games of the DSL Cubs 1 doubleheader PPD DSL Cubs 2 suspended: Box Score OVERALL: 3-2
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yeah, that stuff with Scott sounds sketchy for sure It happens more frequently than you think. A friend of mine works for a scouting group. One of their clients was picked in the supplemental first round a year or two ago and had a prearranged deal with the team that drafted him. After the draft, someone got in dear old dad's ear that his son was worth even more money and that he could be signed to a bigger deal. Dad informed the team that his son would not be signing unless the team added another $500k to the signing bonus. When the team threatened to walk away altogether, everyone shaped up and signed on the original deal's dotted line.
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-28-11
Outshined_One replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
He tends to hit a wall around the 5th or 6th inning. It may just be a conditioning issue for him. -
The bottom line for me is that I agree with you 99%. Garza is having an excellent year and, even if his production declines in the next two seasons, he still would be valuable to the team as a 2-3 WAR pitcher. He is most certainly worth keeping around even if he drops to that level. However... The remaining 1% is based off the feeling I get that Garza's value may never be higher. As I mentioned, my skepticism is based on the fact that he's having a career year, namely as far as FIP, xFIP, and WAR go. I'll admit it, my basis for having that skepticism is somewhat flimsy, but so be it. If I were running a team that was effectively punting 2012 in favor of competing in 2013 and beyond, Garza would be a really difficult case for me. On the one hand, he's young, he's pitching really well, and he'll still be with the team come 2013. On the other hand, if a team were to offer a package of prospects/young players equivalent to his value (say, the Rangers offering a package built around Martin Perez and Jurickson Profar)...I'd really have to think about it. I don't think Garza should be actively shopped around. But, if someone came along with a serious offer for Garza and I didn't think this team was capable of contending in 2012, I'd be tempted.
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Box Scores Iowa lost Game 1 of its DH 1-0 Box Score CF B. Jackson 0/2, BB, K 3B DJ LeMahieu 0/3, K 1B B. LaHair 1/3 LF L. Montanez 1/3 RF B. Snyder 1/3 2B R. Flaherty 1/2, BB C S. Clevenger 0/2, BB, K SS M. Gonzalez 0/3, K SP C. Rusin 5.2 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 8-3 GO-FO RP J. Berg .1 perfect Iowa won Game 2 of its DH 5-1 Box Score CF B. Jackson 3/4, 3 R, 2 RBI, 2B (4), HR (2) 3B S. Moore 1/4, RBI LF L. Montanez 1/3, BB, 2 RBI, SB (3) 1B B. LaHair 0/2, 2 BB, 2 K, SB (2) RF B. Snyder 0/4, 2 K 2B R. Flaherty 0/2, BB, K C C. Robinson 0/3, K SS J. Mota 0/3, K PH M. Gonzalez 0/0, BB, R, SB (1) SP A. Cabrera 4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 3 K, 5-2 GO-FO RP J. Gaub 2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, WP, 1-2 GO-FO RP B. Parker 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, HBP, 1-1 GO-FO Tennessee lost 7-4 Box Score CF JH Ha 0/5 DH J. Vitters 3/4, 2 R, RBI, HR (11), SB (4) 1B R. Ridling 2/2, 2 BB, RBI, 2 2B (19) 3B N. Samson 0/3, BB, RBI, K, PO (1B) SS J. Lake 0/4, K SP A. Bibens-Dirkx 5.1 IP, 6 H, 6 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 HR, 4-4 GO-FO RP M. Hatley 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, WP, 2-2 GO-FO RP B. Ebinger 1 perfect, 2-1 GO-FO Daytona lost 8-4 Box Score CF E. Crawford 2/4, 2 R, K, HBP, 3 SB (26) 2B L. Watkins 1/4, R, RBI, 3B (11), 3 K 3B G. Rohan 2/3, BB, R, 2 RBI, HR (3), SB (1), E (3, fielding, throw) DH M. Burgess 0/4, 3 K LF A. Abreu 1/4, Assist (2B) RF N. Perez 1/4, 2 K C C. Noble 1/4, K SP A. Guzman 2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 3-2 GO-FO RP J. Lorick 5.2 IP, 9 H, 7 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, WP, 9-5 GO-FO RP JY Serrano .1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K RP J. Latham 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K, 1-0 GO-FO Peoria lost 11-3 Box Score LF T. Easterling 0/4, 2 K, E (1, fielding) CF R. Silva 2/3, BB, R, RBI, Assist (Home) DH D. Geiger 1/3, BB, R, K 1B R. Jones 2/3, BB, RBI, K C M. Gibbs 0/4, 2 K SS E. Soto 1/4, K 3B B. May 0/4, 3 K 2B A. Alcantara 1/3, R, 2B (11), K, E (34, fielding) SP L. Liria 2 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 HR, WP, Balk, 3-1 GO-FO RP M. Del Valle 4.1 IP, 8 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 0 K, 3-3 GO-FO RP P. Levitt 1.2 perfect, 2 K, 1-1 GO-FO Boise lost 2-0 Box Score 2B Z. DeVoss 0/4, K, E (3, throw) CF PC Chen 2/4, 2 SB (11) C R. Lopez 0/3 1B P. Hoilman 0/3, 2 K RF R. Golden 0/3, 3 K, 2 Assists (2B x 2) DH Y. Cabezas 1/3 SS W. Darvill 0/3 LF J. Morelli 0/3, K 3B B. Zapenas 0/3, K SP YL Wang 5 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, HR, 2 WP, 2-5 GO-FO RP J. Rosario 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K, 4-1 GO-FO AZL Cubs won 24-4 Box Score CF D. Martin 1/7, 2 R, 2 RBI, 2 K 2B M. Hernandez 2/6, 2 R, RBI, K PH/2B E. Gonzalez 0/1 SS G. Amaya 2/7, 2 R, 2 RBI, 2 K LF DY Kim 3/6, 2 R, 3 RBI, 2B (6), HBP, Assist (Home) C N. Rosario 2/5, 2 R, RBI DH T. Davis 4/5, BB, 4 R, 2 RBI, 2B (1) RF KM Na 4/5, BB, 3 R, 5 RBI, 2B (3), Assist (Home) 3B G. Gonzalez 3/5, 3 R, 3 RBI, 2B (3) SP J. Pugliese 4 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, WP, 3-3 GO-FO RP J. Sandoval 4 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 2 WP, 2-5 GO-FO RP R. Diplan 1 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 2-0 GO-FO DSL Cubs 1 won 7-2 Box Score 2B A. Gonzalez 1/4, BB, R, RBI, 3B (2), K SS F. Sanchez 0/2, R, HBP, SB (7), E (23, fielding) SP L. Guillen 5 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, HBP, 4-6 GO-FO RP J. Martinez 4 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K, WP, 3-3 GO-FO DSL Cubs 2 won 6-2 Box Score RF J. Baez 1/3, BB, 2 R, RBI, HBP, 2 SB (27) SS C. Penalver 1/5, RBI 3B J. Candelario 0/4, BB, R, K DH D. Arcila 1/4, R, 2 K 1B X. Batista 0/2, 2 BB OVERALL: 4-5
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I strongly considered putting Garza in that group, but he's not on the same level as Soto or Castro are for me. Garza's on pace for the best year of his career by a longshot and I'm skeptical about whether or not he'd be able to keep that up over the next two years. Putting it bluntly, he's a fantastic sell high candidate. He should be worth a ton in the trade market and I don't think he should be untouchable. Even in his down years, Soto is still an above average catcher compared to the rest of MLB. I'm doubtful the Cubs could get Soto's 2011 production from Castillo/Clevenger going forward. Unless you think some team will grossly overpay to get him, Soto should not be traded.
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There's really no reason to blow this team up. The division is likely to be mediocre, at best, next year and there are some really big time FAs on the market this offseason. The only reason we should trade Aramis is if somebody blows us away, but if we do I think we can still have a chance to compete next year with the right moves. Who would you trade as part of blowing the team up? If the Cubs are attempting a run in 2012, I'd shop Pena and seriously listen to offers for Zambrano and Soriano. The goal would be to keep most of the team intact while substantially upgrading areas where holes will exist in the offseason (1B, SP, and possibly OF). If there are no plans of competing, then I would advocate seriously listening to offers for everyone on this team short of Castro and Soto. Ramirez, Pena, Byrd, Zambrano, Dempster, you name it. The goal would be to acquire as many quality prospects as possible and get as much payroll flexibility as possible for a splash after the 2012 offseason to compete in 2013 and beyond.
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No way his production can be replaced internally. We'd have to get very creative on the trade market or sign an entire new outfield. Gonna be tough to do it all and replace the FO is the same offseason. We could get away with some unholy combination of DeWitt/Baker/Flaherty/LeMahieu/Vitters next season if this team was better, but I just don't think the offense is good enough to cover for that kind of downgrade from Ramirez and I don't think the pitching is good enough to compensate for that loss of offense.
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Box Scores Iowa PPD Tennessee lost 5-1 Box Score CF JH Ha 1/4, RBI 1B R. Ridling 0/4, K LF M. Spencer 1/4 2B N. Samson 1/4 C L. Flores 2/4, R, PB (2) SP T. McNutt 4 IP, 7 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 2 WP, 5-3 GO-FO RP K. Rhoderick 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 3-1 GO-FO RP J. Beliveau 1 perfect, 2 K, 1-0 GO-FO RP R. Dolis 1 perfect, 1 K, 2-0 GO-FO Daytona lost 3-1 Box Score 2B L. Watkins 1/3, R, K, HBP CF E. Crawford 1/4, Assist (3B) 1B J. Bour 1/4, 3 K LF G. Rohan 1/3, BB, RBI, K RF M. Burgess 0/4 DH M. Brenly 0/4, K C C. Noble 1/4, K SP J. Antigua 7 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 8 K, WP, 10-1 GO-FO RP E. Figueroa 1 perfect, 3-0 GO-FO Peoria lost 3-1 Box Score CF T. Easterling 2/3, RBI, 2B (2) 2B R. Silva 4/4 3B D. Geiger 1/4, 2B (4) 1B R. Jones 1/3, BB, 2 K SS E. Soto 1/4 C S. Burruel 2/4, R DH B. May 1/3, BB, K, CS (2) LF B. Klafczynski 0/2, 2 BB, K SP E. Jokisch 6.2 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K, 9-4 GO-FO RP Y. Gonzalez .2 IP, 2 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HR, WP Boise lost 5-4 in the 10th Box Score CF PC Chen 2/5, 2 R, RBI, HR (1), SB (9) DH R. Lopez 1/4, BB, R, RBI, 2B (4), K 1B P. Hoilman 2/4, BB, RBI RF R. Golden 0/5, 3 K, Assist (2B) C Y. Cabezas 0/3, BB, R, HBP, PB (2) 2B W. Darvill 0/4, BB, K 3B W. Contreras 1/4 SP B. Wells 5.1 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, WP, HBP, 6-0 GO-FO RP K. Burke 3.2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 2 WP, 0-6 GO-FO RP D. Fitzgerald .2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 0-1 GO-FO AZL Cubs won 15-7 Box Score CF O. Zapata 1/3, BB, 2 R, RBI, K, HBP, SB (12), CS (4), PO (1B), E (2, fielding) SS M. Hernandez 3/4, 2 R, 4 RBI, 3B (2) 3B G. Amaya 3/5, 3 RBI, 3B (4), E (7, throw) DH N. Rosario 2/4, BB, 2 R, RBI, 3B (1) LF DY Kim 2/5, 2 R, 2B (5), K SP B. Smith 3 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1-4 GO-FO RP A. Jimenez 4 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 6-2 GO-FO DSL Cubs 1 lost 9-5 Box Score 3B A. Gonzalez 0/3, BB, R, 2 K, E (18, fielding) 2B J. Ortega 1/2, R, RBI, SB (11), E (2, fielding) SP A. Mejias 3 IP, 2 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 1 K, 3-3 GO-FO DSL Cubs 2 won 13-2 Box Score RF J. Baez 0/5, K SS C. Penalver 3/3, 2 BB, 3 R, SB (16), CS (7) 3B J. Candelario 2/4, BB, 3 R, K 1B D. Arcila 3/5, 3 R, 2 RBI, 3B (3), K DH X. Batista 1/3, 2 BB, R, 2 CS (4) SP A. Santana 6 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, HR, WP, Balk, 2 HBP, 9-2 GO-FO OVERALL: 2-5
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Storen was a major budget pick. The Nats had the 10th overall pick that year because they failed to sign Aaron Crow the previous year, meaning that pick was unprotected. Adding onto things, Storen was taken the same year they took Strasburg, meaning the Nationals had to save money with their later picks. Storen's a good player, but don't be swayed by where he was picked.
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Sox going after Rasmus?
Outshined_One replied to Backtobanks's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Colby doesn't have a boombox in the locker room, does he? -
Box Scores Iowa lost 7-3 Box Score CF B. Jackson 1/5, 2 K, E (1, throw) 3B DJ LeMahieu 2/4, RBI 1B B. LaHair 1/4, R, RBI, HR (29), K RF L. Montanez 1/4, 2B (14), K LF B. Snyder 2/4, R, 2B (21), K C C. Robinson 2/4, RBI, 2B (5) 2B R. Flaherty 0/3, K PH J. Mota 0/1 SS M. Gonzalez 1/3, BB 2B S. Moore 1/2, R SP D. Bush 5 IP, 8 H, 7 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 2 HR, HBP, 2-9 GO-FO RP R. Coello 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 K, 1-2 GO-FO RP C. Carpenter 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 0-1 GO-FO Tennessee lost 4-0 Box Score CF JH Ha 1/4, HBP, Assist (3B) 3B J. Vitters 0/2, 2 HBP C S. Clevenger 0/3, BB DH M. Spencer 0/4 SS J. Lake 2/4, 2 SB (10) PH N. Samson 0/1, K SP M. Carrillo 4 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 1 HR, WP, 3-5 GO-FO RP O. Martinez 2 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, WP, 2-1 GO-FO RP B. Ebinger 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 3-0 GO-FO Daytona lost 7-2 Box Score SS L. Watkins 0/4 CF E. Crawford 0/4, E (4, fielding) 1B J. Bour 1/4, K 3B G. Rohan 1/2, BB, 2 R, RBI, HR (2), HBP LF M. Burgess 1/3, BB RF N. Perez 1/4, RBI, K C M. Brenly 0/3 DH C. Noble 1/3, CS (1) SP DE Rhee 5.2 IP, 9 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 6-3 GO-FO RP L. Suarez 2.1 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, HR, 1-3 GO-FO Peoria lost 6-2 Box Score CF T. Easterling 2/4, R SS A. Alcantara 1/4, R, RBI, 2B (10) 2B R. Silva 0/4, K 1B R. Jones 0/3, RBI, 2 K 3B D. Geiger 2/4, 2B (3), E (2, throw) C M. Gibbs 0/3, 2 K DH B. May 1/3 LF B. Klafczynski 0/3, 2 K, E (1, throw) SP S. Peralta 4 IP, 5 H, 4 ER, 5 BB, 1 K, WP, 5-1 GO-FO RP R. Lopez 2.2 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 4-4 GO-FO RP R. Pichardo 1.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K, 2-0 GO-FO Boise won 8-6 Box Score CF PC Chen 2/5, R, 2 K, SB (8), Assist (3B) DH R. Lopez 3/5, 2 R, RBI, HR (3) 1B P. Hoilman 3/5, 2 R, 2 RBI, 2B (8), HR (10), 2 K C Y. Cabezas 3/5, R, 2 RBI, 2B (4) RF J. Morelli 2/5, R, 3 RBI, HR (1), K, SB (2) 2B W. Darvill 0/5, 2 K 3B W. Contreras 1/4, E (13, throw) SP W. Cruz 4.2 IP, 4 H, 4 ER, 4 BB, 7 K, HR, WP, HBP, 4-3 GO-FO RP C. Richardson 2.2 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 3-2 GO-FO AZL Cubs won 7-2 Box Score RF O. Zapata 1/2, 3 BB, RBI, K, SB (11) 2B M. Hernandez 1/2, BB, R, HBP SS G. Amaya 2/4, RBI, K LF E. Gonzalez 0/4 CF KM Na 0/3, BB, K SP R. Garcia 5 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 4 K, 5-3 GO-FO RP H. Simpson 1.1 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0-1 GO-FO RP A. McKirahan 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 4-0 GO-FO RP C. Harman 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, WP, 1-0 GO-FO DSL Cubs 1 won 11-1 Box Score 3B A. Gonzalez 1/4, 2 BB, R, RBI, K SS F. Sanchez 0/3, K, SB (6), CS (4) 2B J. Ortega 1/3, 2 BB, 3 R, 2 SB (10) RP J. De la Cruz 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K, HBP, 4-2 GO-FO DSL Cubs 2 won 6-4 Box Score CF J. Baez 1/3, BB, R, Assist (3B) SS C. Penalver 1/3, BB, R, 2 RBI, 2B (10), K, 3 SB (15) 3B J. Candelario 0/2, 2 BB, R, K, SB (2) RF/1B D. Arcila 1/3, BB, 2 K 1B X. Batista 0/2, RBI RP A. Colinas 2 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, HR, 2-3 GO-FO OVERALL: 4-4
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-26-11
Outshined_One replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
Travis Garcia retired. I guess our mean comments about him being likely organizational filler got to him.

