Awesome, thanks for the info vance. So, by that formula, would Mitre/Williams, Patterson, and Dope do the trick? Or would they want more than patterson? if they want more then Patterson, i would probably include Rusch as well. Thats not what I meant. According to Vance's source, they want an "Established position player." Maybe they dont consider Cpatt established, with good reason i might add. I was thinking maybe sending walker instead of Cpatt. Would you guys do this deal?? Walker, Mitre/williams, Dopirak for Adam Dunn?